An anonymous email was sent to many of the members of the CS forum. The email pointed them back to this site to the "THE REPORT" thread.

Thank you for your good thoughts. Ted and I are pretty immune to these emails. We fully understand the cult dynamic, so we are able to de-personalize them for the most part.

I'm beginning to think about just posting the text of some of them here on the website as well. I didn't solicit these emails.

Besides the "envy, jealously, and rage" lines, we are also hearing "terrorist" and "coward" in just about each of them.

It's clear that these people first consulted Con:Sin before mailing us. Evidently they couldn't respond without instructions from the bosses.

This is all Cult 101, and as I've pointed out to the few mailers I've chosen to respond to, the only cowardice here is within those who refuse to face the facts and are willing to twist their brains and emotions into pretzels rather than face the facts, especially the BIG fact that Lazaris has been CAUGHT in a blatent and glaring lie.
Thrashing me and Ted all night and day won't and can't change that fact, it can only provide a diversion.

Also, this diagnosis of terrorism is really beyond the pale. After what we have all experienced in this country, to elevate the receipt of an unsolicted e-mail to the status of terrorism is irresponsible and disrespectful in the extreme. But, Con:Sin issues the edict, and the sychophants fall in line per usual.

We are having incredible hits on the site since Friday evening, more even than when the information about Michaell's suicide came out. Some are interested in knowing, that is gratifying to know.

I think the fallout of this information will continue for awhile. I'm not surprised that the first responses of some is anger and denial. Enough people are reading this information that I'm sure the dialogue will continue here and in other circles. No matter which way you twist it, this is not a good thing for Jach. A really ugly reality has been revealed that is as far from the pretty pictures painted by Lazaris as heaven from hell.

Someone will notice. Some might actually care. That's up to them.

Katie

The alternate Lazaris discussion site http://www.general-pictures.com/lazaris/ reports that there was a thread opened in the J&L room to discuss the mass emailing. Naturally, the thread was deleted.

Basically, it contained more of the same - calling us terrorists, cowards and martyrs. One said that Peny's death is a private matter. Another said that, while everyone else is busy giving of themselves to help the terrorism victims, we're donating our lives to trying to digging up dirt about Lazaris.

As for Peny's privacy - it would not have been an issue had "Lazaris" not repeatedly told us how she was the reason "they" came and how she is such a wonderful magician. It would not have been an issue if Jach and "Lazaris" had not lied about the circumstances of her death. It would not have been an issue if Peny did use her evelated status to thrash people. What has been reported here is a matter of public record. No spies were sent to eavesdrop at the CS compound. Peny and Michaell were public figures, at least amongst the Lazaris community.

As for our "donating our lives to digging up dirt on Lazaris" - what we donate our lives to is no one else's business. The writer has no way of knowing what any of us here have done to help the cause of the victims, as we have no way of knowing what they have done. That is a matter of privacy.

This same writer anticipates us being slaughtered, since that's what "Lazaris" says happens to martyrs. Sounds similar to the fundementalist Christians who delight in the prospect of seeing sinners burn in Hell.

Then they accuse us of "syrupy love". Well, we've never been accused of that before

To the writers who were censored in the J&L room: You're welcome to discuss it here. You won't be censored.

I am the author of the email that was sent out anonymously. Why anonymously? Because of the reactions you see hinted at below. I would not feel safe having done if I signed with my real name. I post these reactions here so that people can glimpse some of the thinking that goes on. I have removed all names and email addresses to protect those in the same spirit as I want to protect myself.

I do not plan to post again. Feel free to make comments, though.

Sincerely,
Coward

PS: Make sure you don't miss the last reaction...it is quite "colorful" (and also sent anonymously with an email name of "Fuck You".
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I am wondering where you got my email address? Did you copy it from the
forum?? I think your message and links are an unsolicited abuse of private
information. I'd appreciate your removing me from any future messages!!
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Dear "Friend",

Do not send me crap like this ever again. Thank you.

Furthermore, since you are unwilling to identify yourself and identify your real intentions for circulating this kind of crap I most certainly never want to hear anything from you. EVER.

Since you have my name and or e-mail address on some sort of list, remove it immediately. NOW.

Thank you.
Sincerely,
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Please take me off your mailing list! What a cowardly thing to do. Your
anonymity speaks for itself.

Regards,
=====
Whoever you are you are a coward in that you do not have the "balls"' to
identify yourself. I am not interested in your information. I have no
idea how you got my email address but I warn you do not contact me
again.
=====
I don't know who you are, and you obviously don't have
the courage to state your name with this information.
Whether this information is true or not if you have
anything to do with the cosmic fool website you are
immediately suspect. Katie and Ted are sick people, much
sicker than Peny in my mind, and I don't want to be
involved in anything that has to do with them or the
website. Do not e-mail me

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Dear ??? Friend,

If you are truly a friend, why don't you tell me your name. That Cosmic
Fool site is hateful and full of lies. I don't know if you checked it out,
but many of the paraphrasing of Lazaris that they have used to support their
position is just not true. I have been with Lazaris for at least 14 years
and have about 98% of the tapes. In all my time with Lazaris, I have never
heard them say the things they accuse Lazaris of saying. So why should I
believe them now? My experience with this site is that it is full of
jealousy, envy, and rage. They have been ranting about Peny for a year now
and now they are ranting about Jach. What does that tell you? These people
cannot let go of their anger. It appears to me that the whole intention of
their site is to hurt. They have been loosing people from their site
because they have abused people on their site. They need new recruits and
guess what, they recruited you. Are you willing to shrink away from your
being a magician for these people? Are you going to abandon your
spirituality because these people have abandoned theirs? I would just like
to ask you this question. When you listen to Lazaris, do you doubt them?

Do you trust these angry hateful people more than someone who has given you
truths throughout the years? Many people have left that site because they
actually believed in Lazaris and got terribly abused by these people for
expressing their opinions. How do I know. because I visited that site to
see what was going on. The resonance on that site was so putrid, it made me
sick.

Please don't send me anymore info on this.
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Hi:

Which concerned friend got this email address? Thanks.
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PLEASE REFRIN FROM SENDING ME ANY OTHER INFO> I DO NOT APPRECIATE THE INTENT OF WHERE YOU ARE COMING FROM> HEAL YOUR ENVY & GET A LIFE>
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Please Remove me from your mailing list...
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What a pathetic little cowardly weasle you are. Why don't you crawl back into your little hole and hide? Peny's death is of absolutely no import to you or to me. Never, ever communicate with me again.

You are like the terrorists - you strike from the shadows. You cover yourself with shame.
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Dear Concerned Friend,

I'm not sure who you are or how you got my e-mail. I have to wonder how
concerned you are in light of your unwillingness to sign your name.
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Please remove me from your mailing list.

Thank you.
======
Take my email address off your mailing list immediately I have no desire
whatsoever to be part of your reality.
======
Please remove my email address from any list on which you have it. If I
receive another communication from this site, I will report it as email
abuse to Yahoo.
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Please remove me from your distribution list.
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To Whom It May Concern,

Please do not write to this address again. If you were what you purport yourself to be "a concerned friend," you would have used your name instead of sending a mass mailing. I don't know where you got our address, but I do not like that you invaded our privacy. Do not do it again or action will be taken on our part. We choose our destiny in this house, and will not have it chosen by others through fear and hatred, meaning your writing.

Finding the good in the world is a whole lot nicer than constantly looking for what scares you or of that which you don't understand!
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What I choose to believe and not believe is between me and my Higher Self. Do not write me again. Ever. Period.

I have visited your website several times at Cosmic Fool. I was curious at first. There was even a time when I started listening to you and your rantings. But then, it just got old. All the negativity fixated towards one group of people. All the anger, the judgments, the hostility. Sometimes the message is lost in all of this, making our ears bleed.

You think perhaps that I am deluding myself. My choice. You think perhaps that I have given my spirituality and soul to a bunch of liars and thieves. My choice. Not yours. And if my choice make you angry, indifferent or self-righteous. Your choice.

I came to the realization that you are a bunch of really mean and nasty people that truly need to get on with your lives. I think back on several things in my own past that I wished I hadn’t believed in. Things I see now that I had wasted my time on. Some things small, some quite large. I have moved on. Lesson learned. It wasn’t what I had hoped for or wished for. I moved on. I moved on.

I am amazed, truly amazed, that after EVERYTHING that has happened in the last few weeks, you are still obsessed with bringing these people down. It amazes me how you think it is okay, and your RIGHT to write me in this way and continue to spill your putrid garbage now closer in my direction. I of course need to look within and figure out why I created a reality where YOU are now so closely in it, “knocking” on my door so to speak - uninvited.

I know you have heard this many many times, and you choose not to 'listen." That is of course YOUR choice. And I, quite frankly, couldn't give a flying rip what you choose to do with your life, all of your anger and all this energy you devote to this "cause" of yours.

Just leave me out of it. I haven't asked for your advice nor do I want "saving" by you. Again, what I believe and I what I choose to believe is of no concern of yours. If that makes you angry, oh well. Confused? Oh well. Belligerent in your judgments? Oh well.

Cheers!
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"Concerned Friend"

I do not know where you got my email address from or who you are or what
kind of
organization this is, but I can tell you that your intentions are mean and
hostile and of an envious nature. I resent your
attempt to contact me, as if I need your "new information". You are sick.
How did you come to the conclusion that I need or want your "information" to
discern my spiritual path?

Do you think I am dumb or stupid? What makes you think that you are so much
better than me and so much more enlightened then me? I am furious! How did
you get my email address and how dare you contact me!

Do you really think and believe that I need to be awakened to your
"information"? You are ridiculous and arrogant!

Do you realize you are spending your "adult" time writing and sending me an
email about something that you want to make me aware of or warn me of? Are
you trying to save me from something??? What would that make you ... a
savior??? Well...go save yourself!

Your intentions are pathetic and mean, I do not believe for a second that
you know me or love me enough that you would spend time to truly inform me
or save me from something, unless you are pushing an agenda. You are not a
"concerned friend"! That is a lie! I do not know you!You want to solicit
people to go to your commercial website!

You don't even have the guts to sign your name. Spooky!

Whoever you are: I will find out and will take legal action against you for
using my email to
contact me in this manner!
===============
Hello

If you are so concerned, have the courage to sign your name to this
email. Your cowardice is not appreciated. Keep your hostility to
yourself.

Take me off of your email list!!!
=====
Please don't ever send your garbage to me again.
=====
hello, "concerned friend"... I would appreciate knowing who sent me this.
I am not angry or upset. Little of what was revealed was a surprise,
as we had already believed this to be the case. We do appreciate the
confirmation of what we had gotten psychically. It is sad for us.
[PERSONAL INFORMATION REMOVED] I mention this in regards to
Peny choosing to let go and move on. While it was true that she was in a great
deal of pain, I personally would not underestimate her spirituality, nor the
possibility of her choice.

I say this not to defend her. But to suggest a possibility that may be true, and I
even get IS true.

Obviously, it would have been such a blessing for us all if she had gotten herself
healthy and lost weight, and continued to heal herself in other ways also.

Re: Lazaris. I personally have had too many clear, true, direct, honest experiences
of their love and presence... their healing of me and those I care about, to throw
the baby out with the bath water... as the saying goes. Too many miracles and too
many changes have happened in me to say they were not so.

It is also part of the adult, to question, be curious, to explore... and to NOT be blind,
or dumbly blindly believing either. There are many valuable and valid sources of
spiritual, metaphysical, and / or wisdom in our world, to have Lazaris as my /our
only source. For many reasons, I do not recommend it to my clients, my friends,
my family. Those who live this way, do this for their own reasons.

I will not inform anyone as to who you are. I just do not like receiving an email
of this magnitude from someone who says they are my friend, and email at an
email address I rarely use anymore. If this is who I think it may be, I love you,
and DO appreciate your sending me this. Only I would like you to let me know it
is you. Please.

Much love,
========
I do not appreciate receiving this. If you have something to say then say
it, instead of this anonymous attack. Your e-mail was not sent with Love and
you do not have the courage to identify yourself, therefore I question where
you are coming from. I personally trust Lazaris implicitly, they have always
been a loving friend---I don't even know who you are. Do not contact me with
your views again.
========

Dont ever contact me again. I dont respond to no name signed letters &
reports. If you were a friend you would be sure to post your name. So, your
message is NOT with love, It is not from a friend of mine!
========
Dear "Concerned Friend"

No one from Cosmic Fool is a friend of Lazaris so I am assuming that you are not a friend of Lazaris either. The people connected with that site are interested only in trashing as far as I am concerned. Peny and Michaell have moved on and our world certainly needs our energies in far more important areas at this time.

I do not appreciate your lifting my e-mail address from the forum and e-mailing me in this manner. I know the love that I feel from and for Lazaris and nothing will change that. I hope those in charge of the forum locate and remove those such as yourself who are not honoring the forum agreement.

I conversed briefly with Katie and Ted individually a number of months ago.

I was appalled when Katie told me that I should listen to her rather than what my Higher Self was telling me. End of conversation.

I find it interesting that you don't use your real name. Where is the courage and integrity in hiding behind a fake one?
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I don't not know who you are, but you have violated my privacy by
sending this report to me. Cowards lurk in the shadows. So do
terrorists. I not only feel violated by you, I also feel you have put
out your own form of terrorism.

My opinions are based on my own personal knowledge, evaluations, and
research. No one else's negative ego is going to change anything of my
reality or of my own personal experience.

Do not ever send anything to me again.
======
Hello,

Please tell me who sent this email. I'm just really curious.
======
Please remove me from your mailing list.
======
I should think that a concerned friend would have had the courage to
sign his/her name to an email such as this.

No need to reply,
======
I do consider this SPAM. However you got my name to send this
communication, you have overstepped your boundaries. Take me off your
lists.
======
Do not send me any unsolicited emails.
======
To Whomever Wrote the Email about Lazaris:

Lazaris said Peny didn't die of disease. He never said she didn't have a
disease or illness. There's a distinct difference between the two. "Die" and
"Have" are not interchangeable words.

The coroner's office had to make a report as best they could. I'm sure they
were wrong if they said she actually died of the things you have said they
said. That doesn't mean she didn't have those problems. Things aren't always
as they seem. People even get sent to prison when they are in fact innocent.

I'm sure the coroner's office reported what they thought was true, but that
doesn't make it true.

I don't know who you are since you didn't sign your name to your email, but I
do know I have a track record with Lazaris that proves time and time again
that he is totally & completely, 100% trustworthy. So, as of now, my trust in
what they told us about Peny's death is what I will believe, regardless of
coroner reports or anything else for that matter. They have proven their
trust to me more times than I can count. Why now would Lazaris choose to lie?
I just don't buy it. They don't have anything to gain by lying to us, nor is
it in their character to do so, or to even consider doing so.
======
Who are you? Why are you sending me email without signing it?
======
TED BIN LADEN AND KATIE BIN LADEN,

HOW DARE YOU STEAL MY E-MAIL ADDRESS AND WRITE THIS SHIT TO ME ?

YOU THINK THAT PENY WAS RUDE, ETC ? I'll show you what ligitimate rude is !!

MR TUXEDO AND MISS EVENING DRESS THAT WENT UNNOTICED AT THE MILLENNIUM DINNER ,

WHAT THE HELL PENY AND ANYBODY ELSE DOES/DID IS NONE OF MY CONCERN !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

YOU SHALL FORTHWITH REFRAIN FROM SENDING ME ANYTHING WHATSOEVER.

YOU SEND ME ANOTHER THING AND I'LL SUE THE BLOODY TUXEDO AND THE BLOODY UNAPPRECIATED EVENING DRESS RIGHT OFF YOUR BACKS!!!!!

WHERE THE HELL IS IT WRITTEN THAT YOU ARE MY SELF APPOINTED SAVIOURS ??????????

YOUR MARTYRHOOD, YOUR HATRED AND YOUR RAGE AND SHAME DUMPING IS OUTRAGIOUS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

WHAT A SHAME THAT LAZARIS DID NOT PERSONALLY AND PUBLICLY ACKNOWLEDGE THE GRACE THAT YOU BESTOWED ON EVERYBODY BY PUTTING IN AN APPEARANCE AT WORKSHOPS AND VERY OBVIOUSLY IMPOVERISHING YOURSELVES BY BUYING TAPES.

AND WHAT A SHAME THAT YOU NEVER MADE THE MILLIONS THAT YOU THOUGHT YOU WOULD BY VIRTUE OF YOUR MERE MEMBERSHIP OF THE FORUM.

IT IS QUITE CLEAR THAT SOME THINGS FORTUNATELY [ like your shit] AND UNFORTUNATELY [ what Lazaris teaches] DO NOT RUB OFF.

YOU ARE NOT FUCKING CONCERNED FOR ME.

YOU ARE CONCERNED WITH TAKING REVENGE ON PENY

YOU ARE CONCERNED WITH YOUR OWN RAW HATRED

YOU ARE CONCERNED WITH YOUR RAGE

YOU ARE CONCERNED WITH YOUR SELF RIGHTEOUSNESS

YOU ARE CONCERNED WITH FEELING TOTALLY UNAPPRECIATED

YOU ARE CONCERNED WITH FEELING ILL TREATED AND

YOU ARE CONCERNED WITH PUNISHING

YOU ARE SPIRITUAL FUCKING TERRORISTS

FUCK YOU

FUCK YOUR RAGE

FUCK YOUR HATRED

FUCK YOUR EGO'S AND

FUCK YOUR MARTYRHOOD.

Oh my Gawd..I got goose bumps reading all that hatred spewed at you.

I have never read/ heard anything like this.

truly a very sick deluded group of peepull, and I relaize fully again what a powerful thing denial is, and HOW deeply washed some peepulls brains can get.

I am sad for all humanity for this, as I know it is precisely the same mechanism that can make a "person" fly a full jet liner into a tall building.

The way this whole sorry story ends will show us if humanity has a chance at all.

Jach wrote in the Forum today about this site. I thought you might be interested.

Author: Jach Pursel
Dear Everyone,
Many of you received a spam email that was sent anonymously. A
few of you wrote an email to me or to the office expressing
your outrage and disgust as well as your anger that someone
would send such an email. Those of you who wrote expressed
your love and support and that you were handling your process
and were “letting this go” and were undaunted by it. Others of
you were feeling and doing the same thing but did not write.
I want to thank all of you who wrote and those who did not.
Your love and support is warmly received and greatly
appreciated.
Also, I do not want to discuss that email in the Forum. I do
not want to dignify it with open discussion here. I do not
want to give the anonymous sender audience within this Room. I
ask that you not discuss the content of that email in the Room
either, for the same reasons. Thank you.
For those who did receive the spam email, one question was
paramount: How did they, whoever sent that email, get your
email address?
I sent a private email to all those who had emailed me or the
office. I include this part of that email here for all of you
who received that spam email but did not inquire because I
suppose that same question was paramount for you as well.
From my email: [[[To answer your question, I cannot say for
sure how your email address was obtained. If any of you had
visited the particular website mentioned in the spam email,
they could have captured your address at that time. There are
enough indications to suggest that a person or a small group
of people who are Forum members may have supplied your email
address to those who sent that spam email. If you have posted
a message in the Forum over the past several months or years,
they could have copied your name and address.
[[[At this point, there is no way to know who that person or
those people might be and I am not about to shut down the
Forum or to start some sort of investigation in attempts to
find out. The idea that there are such people who are members
of the Jach & Lazaris Room does compromise the safety of the
Forum. Sadly, we are all dealing with compromised safety
issues on global as well as personal levels.]]]
The Forum management people and I do all that we can to
maintain the safety of this Room and this community. The
lesson: No matter how careful you are, safety can always be
breached. We do create our own reality (causing some pieces
and allowing other parts), but we do not do it perfectly.
To each of you, I apologize for allowing the safety of this
Room to be compromised. I am sorry that your privacy was
invaded by that spam email. I am sorry that you were treated
so disrespectfully and irresponsibly by a person or persons
who betrayed your trust by providing your email address and by
the anonymous sender of that email.
I am not going to allow this breach to stop me from being who
I am. I am not going to allow it to stop me from participating
in this Room as I have always done. I hope you will continue
participating in your way – reading posts, writing posts, or
both – in this Room and in this community as you have and in
the ways that are genuine for you.
Thank you.
Much love,
Jach "

A copy of this e-mail was forwarded to me by someone who gave permission for it to be posted here.

quote:

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To: Jach Pursel

Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 5:59 PM

Subject: Re: spam e-mail

Hi Jach,

You said you didn't want to discuss the spam e-mail in the forum.

Where can we discuss it? Someone laid the truth about Peny and Michaell's death in our laps which contradicted what you said when asked about Peny last year (you said she was busy working on other projects) and it contradicted what Lazaris said abouy Peny leaving her body and that they couldn't pinpoint what the cause of death was on the "Healing the Broken Alliance" tape. Instead of responding to these issues you made the whole issue about someone betraying our trust because they e-mailed us by getting our e-mails from the forum. At least through them we were let know what really happened. They told us the truth. Why didn't you?

Why are we treated with so little respect and to just act like nothing happened? Lazaris was my life and I trusted the information until now.

What would you do if this happened to you? You would most certainly question what had happened and confront those who weren't honest in their dealings with you.

Lazaris said, "The worst way to hurt someone was to hurt them Spiritually".

I am really hurt.

Please remove me from the Forum as I am sure you would do anyway after this e-mail.

Sincerely,

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Thanks for sharing the email. I found it very poignant since I know for how many months I am *still* sorting out the lies and the betrayals perpetrated by these con artists. Think of the shock this person must have felt without the background of having read any of the information available here when they received the link to the copy of the medical examiner's report and seeing flat out how Jack had lied to them.

While I still do not think Coward was in the right by sending the letter out to people who didn't solicit the information--it strikes me as crusading--s/he isn't a criminal and this hysterical reaction in the Forum is so incredibly self-righteous. Jeremiah's codependency post is a classic. How is it possible that such really great information about codependency ever came out of that snake pit? I still think the Codependency tapes are excellent, even if Jack apparently dosen't think they apply to him.

What a smarmy, cult-leaderesque thing for Jack/Terry to do by deleting this person's email and not even address the issue.

If they had addressed this stuff to begin with, they even might have been able to keep up the charade longer with more people.

There is something else which Lazaris said once that I just can't get out of my head because it is so presaging of what has become of the troika: "Grandiosity always brings you down; that is how you as humans have set it up."

Whew.

It is stuff like that which makes me return to the posts I wrote in here and in the Lite Forum earlier this year about how I don't know to what extent Lazaris is a fake, because some things he has said just seem way beyond the ken of the brain of Jack (John R.), but it is irrefutable in my mind that Lazaris is NOT all that we have been led to believe. He might be all fake after all, I don't know, but someone in here once referred to the biblical, "Ye shall know them by their deeds."

By their own actions, the people at Con:Sin have shown themselves to be tawdry and tacky liars who think they are way above the rest of the world. If you are new to this site and think what I am saying is hyperbole, PLEASE read the archives about the things which Penny did to people behind their backs. She used your private information to spin lies and create little dramas for her own entertainment.

Christ. All that shit that Penny did behind people's backs and Jack is having a hissy about this email. Kiss my grits. At least this Coward person, so far as anyone can tell, isn't capitalizing on having the email addresses. What about all those private email rings which Penny started so she could trash people from the Forum whom she had never even personally met? How does that comply with your standards for safety, Jack?

Pippa

You said: At least this Coward person, so far as anyone can tell, isn't capitalizing on having the email addresses.

The same can be said about this forum. Katie and Ted receive no many since there are no ads on it. Further, they have to pay money to host the site. They are not using it as a vehicle for getting business. The many people who have posted here are also doing so without any business motive.

I think this really baffles people at CS. They just don't get it when people do things that aren't motivated by $$$.

You said: What about all those private email rings which Penny started so she could trash people from the Forum whom she had never even personally met? How does that comply with your standards for safety, Jack?

Great point!

It seems as though there's a bit of a back channel discussion among FOLs about this site, the "cowardly" e-mail, and the Peny papers published here.

The trend seems to go something like this. "How do you feel about the information on that website?"

"Don't ever mention that website to me again, it is full of lies and hate. I refuse to discuss it."

"I was referring to the factual information in the police report, did you read that?"

"No, and I don't intend to, it is none of our business. Don't ever mention this to me again!!"

I know this isn't news, but I thought it might be interesting to examine this kind of interaction.

You have to wonder if these loyal, loving, allegedly conscientious "magicians" are taking into account the feelings of the person they are shutting out. This exchange is going on between "friends", people who regard each other as "spiritual family".

As I've read a few of these exchanges, or heard about them, one thing rings through, and that is that the person whose willing, or eager even to discuss the situation is being hurt by these responses.

What ever happened to healthy relationships where it's ok to discuss anything?

The other thought is that people who are thinking and behaving this way consider themselves to be powerful enough magicians to save the planet from every possible horror. They are allegedly "birthing a Virgin Future".

In this Future world they are birthing, I wonder if anyone will be allowed to think or ask questions.

It's sounding more and more to me as though the only thing these magicians could give birth to is another Taliban.

This is such incredible fundamentalist behavior, it's so hurtful, so indicative of powerlessness, dismissiveness, and complete fear, it's just unreal.

I used to have a lot of good thoughts toward the Lazaris followers in general. I've long defended the majority of them as being sincere and honest people.

After a bit over a year of interacting on this site, I have to say I have changed my mind.

I have no idea what the numbers are in terms of how many are of this rigid mindset and outright abusive behavior, and how many are really sincerely taking the time to think and digest this information against the "backdrop" (forgive me), of the Lazaris teachings, but it's clear that there are significant enough numbers of them to keep Jachass in business, and to continue to hurt and do damage.

Us critics, cynics, refugees, those of us who are willing to take the time to think, listen, and respond to all and sundry who have a thought on this matter are judged as cruel, sick, evil, bitter, jealous, etc BY THE VERY SAME PEOPLE who would rather slam a door in a friend's face than bear the burden of having a discussion on an uncomfortable topic.

I'm sure that reading here hurts some people.
Some who have posted here scream loudly how much they've been hurt.

But, I'm trying to figure out how it is more hurtful to allow for a public dialogue than it is to thwart one.

We don't have anyone coming here actually arguing a good point. We have people coming here telling others why they have no right to, or what is wrong with them for doing it.

The pattern repeats over and over again.

All I can say to the "silent lambs" is maybe it's time to figure out the difference between a public forum and a slaughter house.

And maybe it's time to ask yourselves why you are so hell bent and determined to stop any discussion which makes you uncomfortable, why you are willing to turn on your friends, character assassinate people, hide in shadows, and trip over yourselves to be loyal to someone who has bled your wallets, caused you to max out your credit cards, and foisted the worlds most toxic bitch on you as a leader and spiritual example and guide.

Christ, none of this is new, but it still astounds me.

My big question is, who are the really mean, rotten, and nasty people in this equation?

Much Lava and many peas,

Katie

It feels like these people who are so afraid to enter a discussion or confront the facts in front of their face around the lazaris material are fearful of facing the truth.
There has to be a part of them that knows the things that go on in the forum aren't quite right. How those that read the report concerning Peny's death can overlook the facts is beyond me.

I do not agree with the way these people are so unwilling to even have a discussion about
the factual information. I believe they are terrified that the facts are true and want to pretend that everything is ok. That way they can hold onto the dream of lazaris and the one they are building for themselves. If they admit lazaris has been a lie then it means they have been living the lie for how many years they have invested in it.

I believe that if they really believed that all these facts were lies and hate and nothing more they would be willing to discuss them. If that were true what would they have to lose by having an open discussion about them? I think they are lying to themselves and protecting themselves from the truth because they are too cowardly to admit it. Out of that cowardnice is hostility directed towards anyone who wants to discuss the facts and what the truth may be. I also believe they are unwilling to face the pain that they will go through if they admit the facts are indeed true.

I also believe they see us as traitors to the highest truth and even by them entering into a discussion with us places them in a precarious position with the almighty jach since he has "spoken". (The great and powerful OZ)

I remember that lazaris once said on a tape to question what he was telling us. He said to not just believe it because he said it, to think about it and question it. (Too bad jach didn't remember this. Maybe he did and figured it was really bad advice concerning the issues around the spam e-mail.)
Does anyone remember what tape this was on?

Sincerely,

Mickey