Posted by Katie D on 01-16-2001 11:14 AM
Wisdom or Research?Hi All,
Wow, this thread has enough food for thought to keep me writing all day and thinking for eons!
My first thought about the discussion is to state my own "dispelling" thought about the possibility that Lazaris is some force from the lower realms and that C/S might have developed some kind of power to cast evil spells or something.
No way! If they could do that, Ted and I(and how many others?) would be fried like crispy bacon. The only power they or ANYONE has over any one else is that which is given. I'm finished giving them anything except the time and attention it takes to stand up and speak up.
I have not yet read the Silva Mind Control materials, but there are some good sites which go into a bit of detail in explaining what the technique is about. Jose Silva developed these techniques from his own experience and observations of the power of the human mind. He offered his teachings as a way of empowering individuals to essentially be all we can be. It seems that Jach took the techniques and what he had learned from Silva and recrafted them into the foundation of the Lazaris materials. He basically took something that was offered in a spirit of generosity, and formatted it for personal profit through exploitation. Jose Silva never claimed to be a Master of the Universe or anything, he was as human as you and me. I think Jach figured out how much more powerful teachings like that would be if they were said to be "channeled" by some all wise and loving entity from beyond. He also learned the power of the Alpha state of consciousness, and how to use it to influence others.
This is a brief description of the Silva Method:
"A powerful program of simple, effective methods to dramatically expand the power of your mind to absorb and retrieve information. Discover how to operate at the Alpha level -- the brainwave frequency that signals the optimum level to learn new material and recall what you've learned."
A further investigation of the Silva method reveals techniques and theories almost identical to many taught by Jach. The counting down technique Jach uses is taken directly from the Silva materials, it is THE technique used to put one into Alpha State, which is taught by Silva as a means of expanding ones own abilities. Jach seems to have put on his own twist of using it to control the minds of others.
Also, if the Silva method does provide what it promises, to allow for one to dramatically increase the ability to absorb and retrieve information, the practice of this could be one explanation for Jach's incredible ability to provide hours of formatted and seemingly inspired information. Silva also states that the practice of the techniques increases psychic abilities, and this could possibly explain the sometimes uncanny ability Jach has of hitting a nail right on the head with someone.
I must say though, that in my experience, Jach ruthlessly uses many of the same techniques employed by stage "psychics" to create the illusion that "Lazaris" is aware of all and familiar with each of us personally. But, think about that. If "Lazaris" knows all, why didn't they speak up about that Tradevest scam? Why don't they provide one tiny little bit of unique and actually usable scientific information for the benefit of mankind? How could they love each of us unconditionally "forever and a day", yet allow the hateful, sadistic skewerings in the Forum and within C/S to go unaddressed?
As I have stated here before, if "Lazaris" knows and loves me and Ted, "they" knew that much of what was stated as fact about us in the Forum was not true, yet did they correct Peny? Do they EVER correct Peny when she is so often dead flat out blatently WRONG? No, and why not? because there IS NO LAZARIS. (IMHO...LOL). Beyond that, there is no power, no strength, nothing but a clever scheme to take our money and power.
Don't forget also, that Peny has had a life long interest in Madame Blavatsky, the woman who introduced the concept of channeling wise entities to the world. The interesting story about Blavatsky is that she had gained fame and glory by claiming to channel some dead aunt of hers, and after so many years, the dead aunt turns up alive. Not to be undone, Blavatsky then begins to channel non-physical entities which have never been alive on this earth, thereby protecting herself from any future embarrassing incidents.
Prior to Blavatsky's introduction of these untraceable entities, the world of psychics or spiritualists as they called themselves was reliant upon calling up the spirits of the dead. Blavatsky went them one better and set herself up as the grand whazoo of the psychic set.
Upon examination, this alleged "wise woman" and "mother of the new-age" had a life which was rife with fraud and she too left a trail of human wreckage in her path of self-promotion. I have a book written by Krishnamurti, who as a young boy was taken from his Indian village and the influence of his family, declared an "incarnation of God" or something, and brought to the US where he and his family were ruthlessly exploited by Blavatsky and her odd partner Colonel Henry Olcott.
Interestingly, after Krishnamurti broke from Blavatsky and Olcott's Theosophy Society, he formed his own organization in Ojai California where he lived and taught until his death in 1986. Throughout his lifetime, Krishnamurti insisted that he wanted no followers. One of his quotes: "To follow another is evil," he said, "it does not matter who it is."
Another quote of his in response to being asked "who" he was: "These questions are not of very great importance, what is important is the fact that you obey and allow your judgement to be perverted by authority. Your judgement, your mind, your affections are being perverted by things which have no value, and herein lies the sorrow".
The Society for Psychical Research (London) appointed a special committee to investigate Madame Blavatsky’s claims. The S.P.R. committee in its final report of December, 1885, branded Madame Blavatsky "one of the most accomplished, ingenious and interesting impostors in history."
Also interesting is the fact that it is difficult to find in either's biographical information on the internet, mention of the other.
It is of great interest to me to know the backgrounds and influences of Jach and Peny in my quest to understand the "hows and whys" of the "Lazaris" phenomena.
I believe that a lifetime study of the occult or metaphysics and mind control along with the get rich quick mentality of the more recent new age movement inspired Jach to begin his grand experiment of channeling Lazaris. He was certainly not, as he claims, just a bumbling insurance salesman with only a passing interest in meditation. He did study extensively.
One correspondent of ours who has had a bit of an insiders view of C/S has stated their observation that it seems that Jach and Peny study up on the latest crazes within the new age movement and then provide seminars on the topic.
I'll go one better and say that like any good marketers, they test the waters, see which new concept generates enough interest to sell seminars and tapes, and that is where the attention is devoted. As I've noted in my ebay sales of the Shame tape series, the first tape was named "Ending Shame". When we attended that (heavily attended)seminar and bought that tape, we were never told that there was more Ending to do. The original information and techniques were offered as THE way to END shame, yet we then get 3 more tapes on the topic. Let's face it, the tapes sold well, so they kept coming.
So, no, let's not give these people credit for having any special powers or abilities.
They are clever opportunists and self-promoters, from my observations.
And beyond that, let's not support any beliefs that there are those who are more powerful or skilled than the rest of us. That is a conditioned belief from the Lazaris materials. No matter how much Lazaris tells us about our personal and individual power, the subtle and not so subtle message from the very beginning is that we need HELP, and that is why "they" are here. Beyond that, they are also here to be close to that "light of lights" Peny, hence setting her up with the biggest and baddest of all Better Than reasons that we should hold her in awe.
Think about it, this is all a scam for wealth, power, and the edification of Peny's vast, enormous, huge, insatiable EGO.
These are the last people on earth who I'm going to allow to strike fear or doubt in my heart.
More thoughts later,
Katie
Posted by Dagaz on 10-26-2001 12:46 PM
Posted by Karolina on 02-17-2001 04:18 PM
I personally believe that there is something to Lazaris and that Silva Mind Control does not even begin to touch the depth of the Lazaris material, regardless of where it came from. 