Welcome! I'm happy that this site has been instrumental in your resolution process.

You asked, [[But concerning the question, is Lazaris "real", I have a question. What do you think about Lazaris saying your name, eyes shut, when giving crystals during the crystal ceremony?]]

Everytime I've been to a seminar, we were instructed to tell "Lazaris" out first name when we went to recieve our crystal. I always thought this was somewhat strange - why wouldn't "Lazaris" know us by our energy? Especially those of us who had been working with "Lazaris" for a long time, inviting them into our dreams, etc.

I have heard of one or two instances where "Lazaris" said the person's name without them saying it first. This could be a carnival trick where the people sitting on the stage signal Jach in some way. I've seen them converse with Jach on occasion. They could tell him, for example that the fifth person coming up is John, or that Jean will be the next person after Mary.

I've never experienced "Lazaris" telling me something really profound and personal during the "crystal ceremony" - something that they could not have known. It's always been very general, like "you're progressing beautifully". Who's going to argue with that[g]?

Jach may indeed have a certain amount of intuition. The Silva Mind Control method claims to improve people's psychic power. Maybe it really does[g]. But having a better-than-average sense of intuition doesn't prove that "Lazaris" is a being from the Higher Realms.

There are a few questions that may never be answered. We may never figure out how they able to pull off certain stunts. But if "Lazaris" were real, I would expect there to be many things that couldn't be explained by logic.

To me, the resolution is in that, real or not, Lazaris is not someone in whom I wish to place my trust or invest my time and spirituality. I don't need to be convinced beyond any doubt that it's a fake in order to reject it. I would need be to be convinced beyond any reasonable doubt that it is real to embrace it. It will take much more than a few carny trick to do that.

Its another great selfless "gift" [which you pay good money for..just like all Jachs "gifts" ] on their part to teach us that we create our own reality and then tell us what the "energies" of the months are.

Preordained? Heavens NO!! we won't say they are preordained, that would contradict the basic tenents of reality creation. Jachzaris just IMPLYS they are preordained . Another mindsnapper.

For those reading along that might be trying to rationalize this, I did it for years saying that Lazaris was talking about the "probable" and the "possible".

Lazaris NEVER SAYS these are probable or possible events though, interesting. I guess they expect people to fill in the contradictions in the way I did. Jachzaris talk about what they "sense"... is coming

Well, I "sense" a rat.

Even though we create our own reality moment by moment, and its all up to us individually what we create, Lazaris still tells us in January that June is going to be a "tough " month...LOL Thats just a hypothetical example btw, I don't know what months are being called bad this year.

Mindsnapping..maybe intentionally so..maybe just greedy

This information is provided annually not so much with the idea of creating it differenty but to prepare for the inevitable.

Try to believe you create your own reality moment to moment AND listen to Lazaris predictions about the future... as an experiment.

You can almost feel the snapping in the head [g]

For the record, I do believe we create our reality moment by moment.

This is not a concept that was originated by Jach Pursel or Lazaris.

I do not believe that this liberating, beautiful concept is not compatable with slapping a theme on a year and then breaking the "energies" down into months, good months, bad months. Thats not the language used but I think the message is clear: some months are good and some are bad AND you create your own reality moment by moment"AND despite that the only source of this information is guess who? yourself NO! you can only get it from "Jachzaris"

I used to reconcile this loftily by attributing it to "paradox"..LOL.. what a dope I was...the only paradox here is how that bilious bunch of hucksters can make even more money by selling more tapes and still sleep at night.

Lazaris used to address this "mindsnapping" [my phrase Lazaris called it meltdown or something] when he talked about how the idea of creating your own reality is incompatible with predicting the future in terms of earth quakes and disasters etc.

"When is the earthquake? he would ask it illustrate the point, "when and only when YOU create it"..crytal clear and a good reminder

Lazaris also used to talk about how if you give people diametrically opposing self images like "You are God" and "You are the scum of the earth" the mind will snap, turn off, you won't be able to think.

Yet isn't that what Lazaris is doing with these predictions?

Isnt that what Lazaris did when he told people they are magicians and that money is the easiest thing in the illusion to create but that you better sign up with Ma North's multilevel marketing scheme to have money in your old age???

Giving two, distinct contradictory ideas is a cult/mindwash technique.

While your mind is busy trying to reconcile them [which will never happen] you give up thinking for yourself and replace your thoughts with LAZARIS's thoughts.

Which interestingly, is how Lazaris describes the manner in which the Negative Ego takes over. When you refuse to think, it has to think for you. Some kind of coded warning perhaps?

So lets make this the year of recovery from trying to make all these contradictions valid by slapping the lable of paradox on them.

Lets let Jach and Peny work a little harder to rationalize their behaviors and teachings rather than letting them rely on us to fill in all the blanks for them.

Cheers,

CREATING YOUR OWN REALITY was THE PRIMARY ATTRACTION to Jazaris in the first place. Yet there were many times when it din't fit with what was being taught by our "Fiend."

"Paradox" and "complexity" are valid parts of life that J/L co-opted for manipulation and exploitation. We were in so deep that we could use these words to rationalize blatant incongruitities.

I like the "Year of Recovery", the year of recovering Myself.

Love,
Jade

Those year and month tapes seemed totally unnecessary to me. I could never listen to the whole tape, because I just couldn't relate. Interesting how astrology was proclaimed to be bogus (wasn't it?), yet the energy of the month, for everybody, could be predicted because of feeling and intuition. For me it just never clicked.

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Yeah, I'll be happy to join in to proclaim this as "The Year of Recovery" for those of us here!

On occasion, Sparky will say the person's name before the person tells Lazaris. This is meant to provide evidence that Lazaris is real.

Has anyone else noticed that the C:S people sitting to either side of the Unit during these ceremonies sometimes whisper in his ear? Might they be saying something like, "the third person on the left is Harry"? Then, as if by magic, speaks Harry's name before Harry does!

Why don't they know all of our names? Especially those of us who have worked with the material for many years? They claim that God/Goddess/All That Is loves us and "knows our name". Why don't they?

Why can't Sparky read our thoughts when we approach him? They must have the ability, after all, they respond whenever we call on them in our minds and hearts, don't they? Don't they respond with incredible insight about whatever our issue is at the time, even tapping into past lifetimes? But they don't know our name unless the illusory air vibrations reach Jach's ears?

One person who was impressed that Lazaris knew their name had a photo in the Forum. Most of the people who have reported this phenomenom are well-known to C:S.

Why would anyone need to whisper in Jach's ear to tell Lazaris anything anyway? What does Lazaris need to know at that moment? And why not telepath the information? We're all expected to do that when we seek the Grand Orb's great love and wisdom. Why would anyone need a private consultation if they are available at any time? OK, maybe some of us are not spirityal enough to receive a response. But how spirityal do we need to be for Lazaris to tap into our oh-so-unique energy pattern? Can't they even read auras?

Then there are the "blendings" where Sparky calls out people's names ala Romper Room...

Cheers, Ted

you wrote:

[[During a blending, Lazaris spoke to me using my nickname which can NOT be discovered via the "Romper Room" method and no one at C:S knows it whatsoever. After being address by this nickname, Lazaris said, "The longer college course serves you best and all is prepared for it to manifest." Again, no one at C:S had ANY idea about this decision as it had just come into question the morning of the event and I had spoken with NO ONE about it. I have had these type of very specific guidances.]]

That is very interesting. Welcome.

That Lazaris spoke outloud to you during a blending about information that you had not discussed with anyone at Concept Synergy, would certainly lend credence to the idea that Lazaris is, if nothing else, telepathic.

My question though that remains is whether or not it is ultimately empowering for Lazaris to offer such an evaluation and not explain the "whys" so that you can, in the future make these determinations for yourself ?

In other words, is it enough of a basis to act on because Lazaris telepathically had information about your life?

Many people are skilled at telepathy and what I am looking at here is if that skill is itself enough to establish the legitimacy of the teachings.

My question is does the fact that Lazaris knew something privileged about your life by telepathic means also establish that they are who they say they are?

I cannot imagine Seth for instance, for whom I have great respect, telling anyone what direction they should take without illuminating why.

Doesn't this foster dependancy?

I would be interested in hearing your thoughts about this. Is that all that Lazaris said about it?

The other thing I might question is whether you discussed your situation with a friend or anyone else at the workshop.

My understanding is that staffers pay attention to discussions between workshop attendees and they may have overheard the conversation.

If not, I can completely accept that Lazaris did telepathically read you and commented accurately on what was going on in your life.

Does that satisfy you that Lazaris is who he says he is?

If so, will you share your reasons why?

Thanks,

Jeremiah

Years ago I attended a seminar in Boston...a very beautiful seminar on The Emerging Spritual Being. Truly, it was very beautiful and I did benefit in many ways from it.

As you might imagine, I met a few new people and we enjoyed chatting over lunch. We returned together but were a little early and stayed outside of the doorway chatting about personal relationships etc. Well, only minutes after Lazaris came back, he addressed "exactly" and "word for word" what we had all been talking about!!! (I'm not sure if I told you about this before.) It was so profound that though we were sitting in different parts of the room, we all stretched our necks to see each other as we were "amazed" that Lazaris was so specific and exact on what we had been speaking about only minutes earlier and completely answered our very questions.

Well, I've learned that there are "bugs" that are so minute and easily available, not only to FBI, that I believe that one was "planted" in one of those artificial plants outside the doorway where we were standing and talking. There really is no other explanation, though admittedly I cannot prove it and it is only speculation on my part. Lazaris spoke as if we had been talking to him directly...that's how profound it was!!!

To a believer, as I was, this was pure magic and love and I really felt like I was heard by Lazaris......Today, I stilll feel like I was heard by Lazaris...but by a planted "BUG!!!"

Mutha Humpas.......

Love,

I'm sorry that I don't have any marvelous successes to offer that I could attribute to the Lazaris material. But your quote, "Look at you!...You are doing beautifully!" struck me, as I had a similar experience.

I was at a workshop a few years back in Seattle and was stricken with a terrible stomach virus. When I approached "Lazaris" to receive my special, just for me, crystal which he randomly removed from the bag, he said, "look at you, you're glowing". I was actually exerting all my strength to avoid having a really embarrassing accident! "Lazaris" saw that as glowing?

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As far as manifestation, I was very attracted to the idea that "you can have it all!" You don't have to give up material abundance for spiritual advancement, awesome!

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Yes, I was attracted to Lazaris for similar reasons. I already believed that I could "have it all". I just didn't know how. Lazaris promised to tell me how. Hard to resist, yes?

One of the most profound successes I had during my years with Lazaris was in 1995. I had received a flyer from C:S about a workshop in Atlanta, Igniting the Fire, Awakening the Passion, or something like that. I really wanted to go. I thought they would hold the workshop in San Francisco (close to home), as they usually did the same workshop in various cities. A few months went by and there were no notices of this workshop in SF or anywhere else. I started to think I had imagined it.

Then in March of 1995, I was in Florida on business and stopped into Isis Rising. I spoke with a woman there about my desire to attend this workshop. But I felt that I couldn't because I didn't have the time or money. Then I remembered, "I could have it all - I create my own reality". I decided I was going to go, in spite of the fact that there was no logical way I could go.

I was working at a job I hated and wanted to find something more fulfilling. I updated my resume and decided to look for another job. The next day, a collegue with whom I had worked a few years earlier called me and said that his company wanted to hire me at 20% more than I was currently making. When I went to speak with the manager in charge, I started to talk up my expertise. He told me not to bother as I already had the job if I wanted it.

He asked me if I would mind travelling to customer sites on occasion. I said I didn't mind and immediately visualized manifesting a client in Atlanta at the time of the seminar I wished to attend. Then he said I needed to travel to Raleigh, NC for training that week! I told him I wanted to make a side trip to Atlanta and I would pay the difference. He said to not worry about the difference, they would pay it!

I gave notice at my bogus job. A week later the new company called and asked me if I had a current passport. Why, I asked. They said that they had changed their mind and wanted me to go to England instead of Raleigh. But since the airfare was already paid and it was non-refundable, I would go to Atlanta and fly to London from there! (I always wanted to go to Enland, but didn't even think of manifesting it at this time)

I posted about this success in the J&L room when I first joined. Funny thing though - I didn't do any techniques! I made a descision. I remember feeling slightly guilty when I posted in the J&L room, because I couldn't really see how the Lazaris material had anything to do with this.

In all honesty, I loved the workshop. I don't regret having gone even though I am no longer a believer. I do believe it was a positive experience. Thing is, I could have learned just as much by reading a few books, or attending a class at the local community college and I wouldn't have given any power to a phoney orb.

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Originally posted by Wayne:
It would have been more believable if L had told the mother what the kid saw.

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Wayne brings up an interesting point. I got my (BA) degree in Ancient Near Eastern Languages and Liturature and my major professor was very interested in prophets, oracles, shamans, seers, and other spiritual people in various cultures. One consistent rule across cultures is that you never tell these people anything and you never, never tell them the question you want to ask. They are supposed to tell you. That's one way you can tell a false prophet from a true one.

The other rule is that the answers are usually given in poetic, symbolic language and most people misinterpret them, with dire consequences.

Thanks for the great additions!

You said: Wonder what the Forum's sayin' about MT. ETNA spewing so heartily lately, is she releasing PRESSURE to get READY for the BIG event, Jachass' flying-solo seminar??? oh. I'm sure they're spinning it in some way which transfers the power of mother nature to them,I wouldn't put it past those no-neck monsters...

I'm sure that was covered in the 2001 tapes. Its amazing how general those tapes are such that just about any twist in events can be rationalized somehow as being "suggested". My favorite part of those tapes is the energy of the months. I would be interested if anybody has found any type of accuracy in their own lives from the predictions. I know there have been a couple of times when I have consciously procrastinated (for which I need absolutely no assistance!) doing something since I felt it would be better served waiting for the energy of a month that was upcoming. Talk about self-fulfilling prophecies! Talk about potential dis-empowerment!

Cheers, Craig

You asked if anyone has felt any accuracy with the alleged month energies as delineated by the Grand Orb-meister.

The tough months of year 2000 were supposed to be February, April and September. Well, Feb was a bit rough for for me - I got into an altercation with the Forum Gang. April was tough - it was Forum Storm.

By September I was only about 90% sure that Jach was a fraud. I knew that Sept was supposed to be tough, but we could mitigate the damage by following Sparkey's advice. I hadn't listened to the 2000 tape for several months, and I purposely refused to listen again. I wanted to see how September would fare outside of the artificial reality hell known as Concept:Synergy.

Well, September was a rather normal month, not great, not terrible. Except it was great because I had learned to face reality without the orb crutch. (Kinda like purposely walking under a ladder to disprove the superstition)

I went back and listened to the tape to see if Lazaris had suggested anything useful. I don't remember what "they" suggested, but it was more specific than simply loving oneself and having a positive attitude (which I did). I didn't use any of the techniques, yet the month was smooth. Amazing - must have been residual good karma for all the work I had done with the material - yeah, that's it.

I think I posted somewhere else in here awhile back that, to my knowledge, Lazaris never predicted any major event - such as the 1989 Santa Cruz earthquake, the downing of the Berlin Wall, the death of Princess Diana, the death of Peny(?), the demise of Concept:Synergy... They predict that there will be earthquakes somewhere in the Pacific Rim, that there will be violence in the Middle East, there will be some governmental scandal... Stuff that no one without exeptional insight could guess

You said: I went back and listened to the tape to see if Lazaris had suggested anything useful. I don't remember what "they" suggested, but it was more specific than simply loving oneself and having a positive attitude (which I did). I didn't use any of the techniques, yet the month was smooth. Amazing - must have been residual good karma for all the work I had done with the material - yeah, that's it.

As if we didn't have enough techniques to worry about! I wonder how many people have burnt themselves out from spiritual exhaustion by dutifully performing technique after technique that Lazaris "suggests". That would be an instance where they truly might "throw their spirituality out the window".

For those still in the fold, it might be interesting to journal your thoughts about the energy of each month after it happened. For this to be meaningful, the person must NOT listen to the tapes until after the year is over (to eliminate any self fulfilling influence and to avoid interpreting the events with a biased spin). How accurate were they?

You said: I think I posted somewhere else in here awhile back that, to my knowledge, Lazaris never predicted any major event - such as the 1989 Santa Cruz earthquake, the downing of the Berlin Wall, the death of Princess Diana, the death of Peny(?), the demise of Concept:Synergy... They predict that there will be earthquakes somewhere in the Pacific Rim, that there will be violence in the Middle East, there will be some governmental scandal... Stuff that no one without exeptional insight could guess

Was anyone else at the LA intensive (or was it a weekend?) during the Northridge earthquake? While he certainly gave a timely discussion after it happened (unlike what he choose not to do regarding Peny's and Michaell's deaths), he gave no indication the night before.

It would be interesting to see what a historian, journalist, or some other expert that has no vested interest one way or another in Lazaris to review past tapes and comment on their accuracy. The predictions always sounded to me something you might here on psychic hotline (1-900-ORB-VIEW). Hey, any C:S lurkers - feel free to use idea as a new revenue generator!

There was a seminar going on in L.A. when the Northridge quake hit? And the Grand Orb didn't detect the energy the night before, even when using Jach's body in the proximity of the quake?

If I had known that, I would have had my suspicions long before I did. Wouldn't it make sense for "Lazaris" to mention, the night before, that they felt the quake's energy culminating "in your reality", and offer a meditaion where they "will join our energy with yours"?

OK, maybe they didn't want to panic people. Uh, no, that explanation doesn't work. Otherwise, we should get rid of our smoke detectors lest they cause a panic. And we should stop research on earthquake early warnings. And we should not tell people to batten down the hatches when a hurricane approaches.

So what has the Grand Orb done to demonstrate super-human abilities other than know a few people's names at the crystal ceremony? I mean this is the kind of situation where a "friend from the Higher Realms" could come in real handy. We can all read Games People Play ourselves - we don't need the Orb to interpret.

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Oh, I've been meaning to ask, how was "The Most Significant Decade Ever -- Past, Present, and Future" for ya?

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The Orb's extreme emphasis on the 1990's as the most pivotal, significant decade ever created a tremendous, do or die pressure to bust your buns working with the material.

Not only was, "practice over", but growth critical, not just for the fulfillment of the individual "map maker", but for the creation of the planet's brilliant future. (Consider the option -- being responsible for and living your last years in a dreary, desperate doomed civilization.)

The most obvious effects were:
A. Buy up those tapes, books videos, get thee to seminars, stock up on important cry$tals. If you don't get it right, NOW, it is mediocrity or nightmares for ever after 'til the miserable end, or the really miserable end. (Either way, you'll be unendingly kicking your self in the behind for not creating it right during THE DECADE. Of course , you'll need "Lazaris" more than evah! "Cause he loves ya no matter what. And he might just pop up with another crucially important time zone for your salvation.)

B. Expect that, at the end of the penultimate decade, reality would be mageekally different. (Is the dubiously elected dino "W" a manifestation of the future of dreams ). And if you aren't the impetuous type, there would be new earthly heights to experience before finally departing to be with the Orb for all eternity.

C. Sign up years in advance for the Millenium Celebration with the Orb. Think of the big time day trading with those deposits and payments. And renovations for the ballroom. Partay Penay!

D. If a forum member, subject yourself without reservation, to any and all personal shredding, followed by muchas writhing apologies, so that you will be in your spiritual adult and fit to follow Peny HOOHME.
(ie, not blowing it like you foolishly did in your last couple of Atlantintintinean incarnations.)

"Just you, just us" L L

Jade

I've read your posts with quite a bit of interest, as it is healing to read what others are going through, and apply the lessons to my own story.

One bit of input I have reagarding the J/L having psychic ability:I think that is because you may not have had any prior experience with astrologers/psychics/ palm readers etc.
I do think there are many people with good psychic abilities, yet sadly there are many flim-flam artists.
It is VERY EASY to prove psychic abilities to MOST.
I remember seeing on tv a college professor general nay-sayer doing astrological readings for his class.
he asked them all for their b-days, then a few days later gave them all their very own "readings"(printed out)
he'd given them all precisely the SAME ONE!
they all thought it rang very true for them!!!
He just did general things like...Pray on our egos' self importance, didn't get enuf LUVV growing up, all the general things
Don't feel fully appreciated by opposite sex....etc etc etc..

long story short, all one need do in this society is tell one they have had issues with the father and not enuf love etc. and they can pretty much hit it on the head. courtesy of the IRON JOHN mentality that most of us are spawned from.
not a tough one..BTW a great book-- Robert BLY if you haven't read it!!!!!!!!

Anyway, I love good astrologers, and good psychics, and I can say that from what I've heard from J/L they are NOT...

and all that enneagram stuff may also have been a ploy for J/L to get more "background info" on peepull so he would hit that nail on the head more often than otherwise...

nothin was beyond Jachass' ability to manipulate.
Just thought this input may be of some help....
I do think you will find the self-empowered majick will happen fast and furious like Jade experienced,... now that you have your SELF back!!!!

I had filled out several requests over the years for a personal reading and I remember some of the questions.

One was, "What Lazaris tapes are you currently working with?".

They also asked, "What do you want to talk to Lazaris about?"

Obviously this would give enough information to do a reading with a high percentage of accuracy.

After receiving last weeks e-mail from "Concerned Friend" I have been reading in here. It's a shame to belong to what I thought was a loving, Spiritual Community and find out I was 100% wrong. Although I never felt to free to post after seeing what happened to those that "offended" (even though they didn't intend to offend) some of the forum members. I was always too intimidated to say much and that never felt right to me.

I don't like being lied to by Jach ("Peny is fine. She's working on other projects") and from Lazaris on the "Healing the Broken Alliance" tape. Interesting the title, when I feel "he" broke an alliance when we were told, "We always tell you the truth. We have a penchant for always telling the truth."

I also don't like it that after we were told the truth by a "Concerned Friend" Jach posted that spam email refusing to discuss it and expected us to just sweep it all under the rug and act as if nothing ever happened. How can he even respect (as if he ever did?) anyone who would just go along with this charade? We are presented with the truth about Peny's and Michaell's deaths and there are discrepancies in Jach's posts about Peny and Michaell saying their "good-byes" and then that Peny died quietly in her sleep.
THEN the Lazaris lie that she wasn't suffering from any disease and left in her sleep and Jach doesn't want to discuss it in the Forum?????

I spent the last 13 years of my life LIVING the Lazaris material and loving Lazaris, never doubting the love and now after the lies and cover-up I feel grief.

I am not sorry though. I found my Higher Self and I am a different person with a better reality than I would have had. I will find my way "Home" but now I will take a different path than the one I was on.

I wish to Thank " Concerned Friend" for sending the email. In the forum they called you a coward. I don't feel that way at all. I think it took some courage and I would rather know the truth, no matter how much it hurts at the time than be lied to and told, " it won't be discussed".

Sincerely,

Mickey