I really do appreciate you sharing this information here. Some of us have been involved with the Lazaris material for a short while, while others have been involved for years and years. During this time Jach, Peny and company are all portrayed in a "bigger than life way"...enlightened, spiritually evolved with exceptional insight, character and integrity.

I've seen them abuse their special status with Lazaris in the Forum as many others have. It's good to be reminded these people have lives outside of the Forum and pay attention to how they may be conducting themselves there as well.

You remind us this is hearsay, but you know what? I don't believe people should jump to conclusions based on hearsay, but consider this - how many people have done just that on hearsay from Lazaris or Jach?

How many people accept that Peny doesn't lie just because Jach said Peny doesn't lie at the beginning of his older videos? How many have automatically accepted Peny as this beautiful energy just because Lazaris said so, and as a result have closed our eyes to what we see in the Forum and cling to our belief of her as this beautiful energy regardless...just because someone said so, and not because of our own experience?

So, please, share what you hear, Katie, because I need THIS kind of hearsay to counter the OTHER kind of hearsay I've let myself believe in without discernment for too, too long.

Yes,I agree with you about being open to all information offered about Jach, Peny, et al and for the same reasons you state.

It is so true that we accepted everything we heard from the Gang as the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, some of us for many, many years.

Why should we trust that information without question, and why shouldn't we be open to hear counterpoint?

When I was in my "doubting" stage I actually had fears of being "disrespectful" to Lazaris, even to Jach and Peny. I was almost terrified at the thought that I might in some way hurt them by having doubts. Then I realized that the spiritually enlightened and all wise are not in any way dependent upon my belief in them, or my love or respect. How could my honest doubts hurt a truly loving and self-realized being? They could not.

Yet, we get all this endless "negative impact" crap in the Forum, then neverending stream of accusations, humiliations, and apologies for one "slight" after another in the Forum.

"How dare you question Peny?" "How arrogant of you to state a doubt or a confusion?"

It's sickening, abusive, adolescent childsplay when you think about it from any rational perspective.

So, I dare to think now, and I dare to doubt.
Beyond that, I encourage everyone who reads here to think and doubt, especially about me.
I can handle it, no problem. And guess what?
I'm not even trying to claim to be all wise and enlightened, and my self-esteem is not dependent upon others believing me, or believing in me. I'll bet yours isn't either.

So, don't worry dear Seeker, I'll be continuing to question and report, and I hope others do too. Sooner or later all the FACTS will come out. But the most important FACT is out in the open, and that is that we all have not only the right, but the obligation to think, question, and doubt. That is the foundation of true respect and self respect.

Thanks for writing.

Love to you,

She was the more ambitious of the two. Her personality didn't work as well in public. She chose instead to support her man behind the scenes with an eye on the prize, which was to come as a result of the unholy marriage of her intelligence, ambition and ruthlessness, and his ability to make people
feel good.

Together, they developed a public persona of committed, caring people. Only those closest to them were to see the untempered rage and calculating usuriness. Those who opposed them had their characters assassinated. There was no shortage of people to take up their cause against detractors - those who felt that, in spite of the sometimes questionable means, the ends were noble.

When things got too hot, a major distraction was introduced. Usually the distraction came in the form of a "common enemy". The common enemy was anyone who may stand in the way of the grander goal - for the followers, the grander goal was idealistic: world peace, prosperity. For the couple, the grand goal was ever-increasing riches, power over others, and a bottomless pit of ego gratification.

When an "enemy" made a mistake, it was imperative that it be exposed and corrected. When the couple made a mistake, it was glossed over and the reporters of such indescretions were called on the carpet for
their nefarious agendas. The true believers turned a blind eye in the name of the "greater good".

It was the best of times, it was the worst of times, depending on how active was one's "negative ego". It was the Age of Wisdom, it was the Age of Foolishness, the epoch of Belief, the epoch of incredulity. It was an age when shallow, feel-good talking people were able to manipulate and use well-intentioned folk. In short, the period was so far like the present period, that some of its noisiest authorities insisted on its being received, for good or for evil, in the superlative degree of comparison only.

It is received in the superlative degree of comparison of Bill and Hillary and Jach and Peny.