Does It Matter If Jach is Faking It? - CosmicFool Highlights
Does It Matter If Jach is Faking It?
Posted by Katie D on 11-06-2000 11:13 AM
Lazaris: Friend or Fraud?
A few people have mentioned to us that they don't think it's significant whether or not Jach is really channeling Lazaris, or just putting on a show, because some of the information is valid and helpful.
I think this is a really significant point. I'm wondering how and why a potential huge breach of trust would be of little concern to anyone. How many of us would just gloss over having been lied to or misrepresented by a therapist, physician, or even a business associate, friend, or family member? If we had good reason to suspect that we were being lied to by someone, how much would we invest in any vital or important information they gave us without at least subjecting it to close scrutiny and checking other sources before acting on or accepting the information?
In my experience, Jach uses some very sophisticated hypnosis techniques and functions as a therapist. I have found an exact outline of the hypnotherapy technique defined as a "Transformational or Alchemical Hypnotherapy Session" which closely follows the pattern of a Lazaris seminar. There is one glaring difference though. The technique is employed responsibly by a licensed hypnotherapist to allow the client or patient to identify their own personal issues, and discover their own personal metaphors for healing. As I see it, Jach via "Lazaris" irresponsibly, unethically, and possibly criminally identifies our issues for us e.g, negative ego, martyr, self-pity, etc. and then provides us with his metaphors for our healing. Jach unconscionably and without licensing uses a hypnotherapeutic technique which is only responsibly used by trained therapists to treat individuals, in my opinion, Lazaris seminars and tapes are actually hypnotherapy sessions given to hundreds, even thousands of people at a time, but by someone with no credentials, license, or accountability. Good work if you can find it!
I'm quite sure that no one with a physical ailment would visit a physician group therapy session to be diagnosed and treated for their concern. Imagine being ill, going to a doctor, and finding yourself in a room of four hundred people, and then having the doctor explain the meaning and significance of myriads of symptoms, then giving the group a guided visualization to help the individuals utilize the information to self-diagnose, and then providing a generic treatment which each person is now expected to tailor to their own questionably diagnosed condition? Would you go, if you went, would you go back? Would you feel inclined to have this doctor investigated?
Yet, as I see it, this is exactly what Jach/Lazaris is doing, and he isn't treating our bodies, he is tampering with our souls and guiding our spiritual lives. We sit in a room, and are told what our vital issues of the moment are, what the symptoms are, then given a guided visualization which Jach calls a meditation, which not a meditation, but is a hypnotherapy technique, and then calls upon us to self-diagnose via the metaphors and images he provides. We come out of the hypnosis, get some further set-up to fill in the blanks and prepare us for our healing, and then we are once again hypnotized and given our "healing" via Jach's canned metaphors and images, and somehow we are now group healed. (actually, we can't really be healed or we wouldn't need any more techniques, meditations, tapes or seminars, would we?) Do you ever wonder why you never seem to really get healed but yet keep coming back for more?
OK, granted, Jach does work with conditions which are pretty universal, therefore, on occassions we may actually do some work on a valid issue. Who doesn't go into self-pity, or martyr, or play the victim from time to time? But for Jach via Lazaris to state without question that everyone in a room or listening to a tape is without question not only in that state, but in dire need of healing it in this moment, that he takes it upon himself to diagnose hundreds of people at a time, is irresponsible beyond words by my way of thinking. In recent years, as Jach seems to run out of universal symptomology, he is resorting to more estoric conditions, e.g The Nemesis. Jach tells us that we all have this Nemesis, and that unless and until we overcome that problem there will be the dire consequence that we cannot function as efficient reality creators, or worse.
Jach warns us thoroughly about the degree of seriousness, and the frightful dangers of not handling each one of these issues, and then has the hubris to suggest that the technique he provides is the ONLY and/or the MOST POWERFUL way to overcome these dangerous and sometimes even life threatening states of consciousness. We are treated to long diatribes on the horrors to ourselves and others of ignoring these diagnoses, and of taking the treatment prescribed. Of course, our egos are also stroked by the assertion that we are Mapmakers, Magicians, and Saviors of the Universe when we do succeed. Without us "doing the work" we are told, no one else will find the way. Only those in communication with Lazaris it seems are in possession of vital information and techniques which determine the fate of our lives and the entire planet. I mean, gee whiz, think about it. Does this make sense? Do you actually believe for example that were it not for Lazaris' guidance and inspiration the war in Kosovo would have elevated to World War III?.
Throughout the 80's and 90's were were repeatedly warned about the dangers which faced us should we fail to acknowledge and heal our blockages and negative states of consciousness. The dangers included everything up to and including the devastation of the planet. Heady stuff, and powerful suggestions, evidently consciously designed to terrify us into belief and submission. We were also told that should we fail to be grateful for all this healing, we would be missing a vital component, and therefore our efforts would fall short, or fail. This is mind control at its best, by my definition.
Do you doubt that you have been hypnotized by Jach? Please visit
http://www.adventuresinliving.net
for an indepth definition of hypnotism and hypnotherapy. Please carefully read the link named Session Anatomy. Remove the individual, substitute the group, and pass over all sentences which discuss responsibility and ethics. Those do not seem to apply to Lazaris seminars or tapes. Jach does what he does consciously and deliberately. In my opinion he has made a careful study of hypnotherapeutic techniques and applies them not for our benefit, but because he has found that they are powerful, and that our subconscious minds are highly suggestible, and therefore by establishing trust, via the Lazaris myth, he can do with our minds as he pleases. I found this site through a search engine request for Lazaris. There is no mention of Lazaris on the site though. HMMMM.
Now, given all that, do you now wonder why you don't seem concerned about whether or not Jach is faking it? Is it possible that you have been subtly, or not so subtly manipulated to disregard your own intellect and good instincts in regards to Jach/Lazaris? Why does it seem to be a universal symptom amongst even the doubting friends that it is of no concern or significance that we might be being lied to and manipulated? Does it make you wonder? I'm past wondering.
If you think about it is it possible that it is truly of no consequence whether or not this information comes from Jach or the multidimensional being, the all wise and loving Lazaris? Do you trust your soul and your subconscious to the manipulations of someone who might just be this skilled at mind control and manipulation?
More in the next post, this is getting too long.
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Posted by TedV on 12-18-2000 02:00 PM
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Dear Willow,Yes, I agree that Truth is Truth, no matter where it comes from. I have no intention of throwing the baby out with the bath water. I will not stop believing in Reality Creation simply because Lazaris talks about it. But, I have been and will continue to research, meditate on and think about all of the concepts comprising the Lazaris Material from a perspective that it is the word of an imperfect (severely imperfect, in my opinion) human being. I refer back to the example I gave earlier about the ozone layer. If I believed that Lazaris was who they claim to be, there would be no need for discussion about that topic - the word came down from the Higher Realms. Likewise with all of the concepts - no doubt many are true, but there is significant doubt that all are true or complete. And, of course, I won't be inviting "Lazaris" to work with me in meditation or dreams. Since concluding that Jach is faking it, I've thought a lot about the function and dysfunction of ego. I no longer agree with Lazaris' teachings on this. I think there is a lot of wisdom there, but I disagree with some fundamental tenets of the Lazaris Material concerning this topic. But when I believed Lazaris to be real, I took there word for all of it. The issue isn't that one can't gain some insights from the material, but that the Higher Realms myth creates a tendency to defer to the Lazaris teachings in a way that we not defer to the teachings of other people. You ask if the fact that learning something from Lazaris makes it less true. Any Truth that I accepted in a deferential manner is less true for me, because I didn't own it, because I didn't explore it as thoroughly as I would have without the deference. The Truth is still true, but it's impact on me is diminished. In Congress, riders are often attached to bills. A bill may be proposed to provide emergency relief for children left destitute by a hurricane. Who can vote against that? A congressperson, knowing that the bill will be put through easily can attach a rider to it to provide funding for their pet project, which would never pass on it's own. Thus the good bill (analogous to the Truth) is tainted with the rider. If Lazaris is not who they claim to be, how many "riders" is Jach attaching to the Truth? For me, the difference between believing in Lazaris' realness and not, is that I will not work with any of the nearly 200 tapes we own. If I believed that Lazaris is real, I may work with the tapes in spite of my feelings about Jach. In fact, I did work with them for several months after the "Forum Storm". As long as there are cleaner sources of the Truth - which I believe there is - I have no reason to listen to another Lazaris tape. Cheers, Ted
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Posted by Jade on 02-12-2001 03:47 PM
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Hello Donna,
Thanks for sharing your thoughts with us. I too hope you will read more of the information on this site. quote:
Whether this is Jach making this up or not, I do not care at this point - except if he did - he did "one hell of a job" for we were drawn in to the style of teaching, the integrity as we saw it at that time, to the love that we felt there and as someone stated - we may have opened to the love in our
own hearts. Nothing wrong with that.
Fortunately most of us got some benefit out of the "Lazaris" material. Probably ex-Moonies, ex-Scientologists, ex any cult could say the same. We were all intent on growing and loving. So intent that we managed to do both but it cost us plenty, and much more than financially. Personally I believe "Lazaris" is an act put on by Jach, in which he collaborates with Peny and probably a couple of other people. Along with the information that resonated as "truth" (the seduction) there is also a lot of misinformation. It's important to sort that out for the sake of one' own spiritual and personal integrity. A few weeks ago I saw some street people beating up on someone. I couldn't just walk by without doing something. That's how I feel about Concept:Synergy. Because I had a very tumultuous but brief experience in the forum, I regarded it as a incongruent but isolated event for several years. That helped me stay in denial about "Lazaris". Once I happened on this site (in January/used to post as Lorca) and realized that what happens in the forum is an oppressive pattern, enforced by the very people who are closest to "Lazaris", I had to take a closer look at everything. Ultimately I could only conclude that no great loving spirit would single out woman who behaves as badly as Peny, or speak through a man as controlling and manipulative as Jach. These two are highly toxic, that toxicity permeates their Concept:Synergy creation, and is becoming more apparent in their ghost "Lazaris." The truth feels good to me. Out of love for ourselves we owe it to ourselves to inquire after the truth. The truth does set you free. To quote Katie's post;
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To us, this is very important, possibly vital. We want to know exactly how and why we all invested so heavily and believed so strongly in something which now makes no sense to most of us.
This is taking responsibility for ourselves and is prevention for future mis-steps. This is a meeting ground for support because waking up from this trance is painful and confusing at first. It involves taking a close hard look at oneself, not just the perpetrators of the sham. I tried being a "little bird on a fence" at first, but then realized I needed to understand exactly what I had incorporated into my spiritual perspective, and why I was so blind for so long. My best to you on your path. Love,
Jade
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Posted by Jeremiah on 02-15-2001 11:29 PM
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Dear Writer [Crimson Feather?],It is not clear to me what you are defending here or attempting to protect. Is it Lazaris' ownership of the concepts that he has taught of the years? Is it the notion that Jach and Peny's conduct in the name of Lazaris should be excused no matter how grievous or dehumanizing ? you wrote: [[I short, who gives a shit if Jach is the biggest fake/hoax on the planet if what is coming from him is helping multitudes - and you can be sure that IT IS. Additionally, who gives a shit if Jach - or anyone else associated with Concept:Synergy - behaves as a big fat hypocrite if what comes from him/them saves Love, Relationships, and Lives - and it has. Again, I've seen it. How can you NOT see the good??!! What is it that you look for and try to find? Are you into
gutter-journalistic tactics like many others of you apparent ilk?]]
Who gives a shit if Lazaris and those associated with his company are fakes?
I do, for one. I am not the least bit intimidated by your vehemence or you intensity. If your thesis is the material is great and that ameliorates any destruction done on behalf of its marketers, that is your view. There are other points of veiw. All points of view have their consequences. Why the need for the broadsword and shield? It appears you do not dispute any of the things said here about the conduct of Concept Synergy and its officers. I am guessing from the points you made you find these things irrelevant. To visit your analogy about the mailman for a moment: you wrote: [[Do you stop to check out the Mail-Man before you read your mail?? Of course you don't, but why don't you!!?? Because it doesn't mattter who is delivering the mail - what's important is that you read the mail/message]] If the mailman were opening the mail, changing or altering its contents, using information he gained from the mail in unethical ways and THEN delivering it then the answer to your question is yes, I care who the mailman is. So what I take from your letter is that you are not about to defend Jach and Peny or Concept Synergy. Fine. Your concern then is what? That this message board, humble as it is, could somehow dissuade the planet from heeding the most enlightened teachings on the planet? Not a chance. The truth needs no defense. The teachings will withstand any criticism if they are viable and nothing said here can damage it. you wrote: [[These hurting souls didn't care where the information came from - people in crisis aren't interested in that - they are only interested and reaching out for something that WORKS ]] It really does sound as though you are employing an "ends justify the means" philosophy here, which is fine, if that is your philosophy. You must know, however that it is in direct contradiction with the Lazaris material. It demonstrates that you haven't apprehended the core theories outlined in the tape "The Power of Dominion" that you recommended Ted listen to. If your goal as a therapist is to provide anything that works for "desperate hurting people" then why not give them drugs? they work? Well the answer is obvious, they work and they also do more damage than they correct. Many of the interpersonal strategies outlined in the Lazaris material can also be found in the work of Eric Berne [Transactional Analysis] and in the work of Virginia Satir among many others. And yes these strategies do work. If it doesn't matter who came up with them then why do you invest such energy in defending an irrelevant source? In other words if the source doesn't matter why have you gone to such lengths to defend it? Let the material stand on it own, if it is what you claim, it needs no defense. Jeremiah
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Posted by Steve_Brooks on 03-23-2001 07:28 AM
Socially Disconnected Con:Sin Style "Success"
Let's not soft pedal this folks.Of late, we have had several "I take all the gems I can get from Con:Sin -- and just IGNORE the spiritual / emotional / social damage that I *fully understand* is going on." Let's face it. Yuppies play the very same game with material accumulation -- it goes like this: The Ends Of My Personal Material Expansion Justify Any -- And All Means, Period. It shouldn't surprise anybody, here that these Con:Sin spiritual technology opportunists are often the most icy, socially disconnected kind of yuppie behavioral animal when it comes to personal success. Here's to social, spiritual, and material advancement with social awareness, compassion, and integrity. Thankfully, my millionare success mentors continue to be two wonderful older friends who drive cars that any decent yuppie shark wouldn't be cought dead in. And that's the trap that those who continue to take from Con:Sin while ignoring Con:Sin's human violence may very well be in. IMO they're likely terrified of loosing some sense of social aproval and belonging that the Con:Sin cult has indeed Mad. Ave hypnotically rammed deep in their emotional and social lives. Strive for the approval of those with social impact integrity, and the scorn of those without any, folks. The other way around can, in time only dig you in farther and disconnect you deeper from life. Steve
sb6@altavista.com
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