To be sure, there are certain parts of the teachings that I agree with totally (or pert' near):

1. Reality Creation: Maybe the central theme of the teachings. You'll get no argument from me that we create our own reality and that the external (physical world) is a reflection of our internal (spiritual) world.
   
2. Hidden Agendas: To some extent a subset of Reality Creation. That we sometimes - often - create a reality other than the one we ostensibly want due to conflicting desire; e.g. a desire to manipulate through weakness could override a desire to succeed
   
3. Appreciation of the Feminine: That we all have both masculine and feminine traits, regardless of our gender, and that neither is better or worse than the other.
   
4. Self-generated Karma: that karma is a phenomona that we impose on ourselves - it is not dictated by the gods
   
5. Socialized Rascism and Sexism: Lazaris states that we all are socialized to be racist and sexist and we continue to be until we consciously work to change it.
   
6. Time is an illusion: We can change the past. We can travel through time.
   
7. Help from Future Self: Our Future selves can provide us with help with the insight that they have gained that we haven't yet acquired. Likewise, we, as the Future Self to out past, including past lives can offer similar help.
   
8. Unfairness and impotence of Punishment: That punishment doesn't work, at least not very well and that noone has the right to inflict it on another
   
9. The importance of Honoring our Emotions: We need to accept, acknowledge and release our emotions, whether they be deemed good or bad.
   
10. Chakra Power: The ability to heal and evolve via our spinal centers.
    
11. Working with Night Dreams: I believe that we can heal and learn quite a bit within the dream state
    

Sounds like I agree with quite a few fundamenmtal principles espoused by Lazaris. What then it the problem?
Well, for one, all of these ideas are available elsewhere.

Indian yogis have been writing for millennia
about how to create one's reality. They didn't use those words - they spoke of "miracles" and of realizing that the physical world is an illusion with no power over us. Many of them demonstrated reality creation by manifesting physical objects out of thin air. The yogis also spoke about the ability to travel through time. They may have covered all of the above topics, but these are the ones with which I am familiar. They also suggested that miracles are created within a framework of intense devotion to God, not something our yuppie culture wants to hear. Yes, "Lazaris" mentions "God/Goddess/All That Is", but almost in passing, and without any sense of devotion - Hinduism repackaged for the "Me Generation".

Many modern thinkers have espoused the idea that racism and sexism are socialized and institutionalized and can only be treated through conscious effort and education.

The spin that Lazaris puts on karma is not that different than the teaching of great yogic masters. It's different than the popular view of karma, but only because the popular view is based on a shallow interpretation of the concept. The great yogis also spoke very much about the power of chakras and there are a few modern day books - not channeled - that go into great detail about how to work with chakras.

Much of the psychological information is available in books such as Games People Play and I'm OK, You're OK, both of which were popular in the 1970's. These books, as I recall, deal very much with Transactional Analysis, which postulates that people relate to each other
from their adaptive adolescent, critical parent, etc.

Much of the basics of Reality Creation - the notion that our reality is created via thoughts, feeling, etc. - is contained in the Silva Mind Control method. It's also in the Seth material, but that's probably also a fraud. Certainly any of it which was produced after Jane Roberts
passed, given that Seth said they would only channel through her.

I've had much more success working with night dreams without the Lazaris tape on the subject. I found that tape to be totally useless. Ditto for the crystal tapes.

Some of these phenomena I experienced before I heard of Lazaris. For example I did a past life regression where I helped to heal the person I was in that past life. I deduced from this experience that I could accept similar help from my Future Self. It felt good to have "Lazaris" reinforce this revelation, but it wasn't necessary.

Much of the Lazaris Material is stuff that is so obvious - or should be - that I question why we would need a being from the Higher Realms to tell us. Do we really need Lazaris to tell us that judgments can be destructive? Or that we ought to be compassionate with each other? (OK, I'll grant that the Orlando Gang may need someone to tell them that, but most of us can figure it out on our own. And they don't heed Lazaris' teachings anyway). Do we need a "higher being" to tell us that God loves us or that we ought to respect the sovereignty of other nations? (Again, Orlando Gang excluded)

All of this information is available through existing texts and/or through a reasonable amount of thought. I will grant that Jach has put it into a very accessable format. It certainly is easier to listen to Lazaris tapes than to read the writings of many philosophers, psychologists, yogis, etc. But is it really more elegant? Not if the price of easy access is our dignity, Self-esteem and dedication to Truth.

These are the bits that I agree are valid. There are quite a few tenets with which I disagree or question. I'll post my feelings about them seperately.

I'll list a few here which don't even warrant seperate posts:

1. Orion Experimentation: Lazaris claims that humanity resulted from experimentation by Orions or some such nonsense. No evidence that any of this is true - extremely unlike that it is true, and irrelevant even if it is.
   
2. Arthurian Legend: It's a legend, not a fact. As with any great legend, it contains some useful metaphors. These can be garnered without the help of Lazaris.
   
3. Atlantis and Lemuria: See Arthurian Legend.
   
4. Peny North's loving nature: Gag me with an over-priced crystal.
   
5. Lazaris "himself": Right, dude, you were floating around the Universe, came across Peny North and didn't run in the opposite direction? And you've got something to teach us?
   
6. Opening of Sirius Vortex: Did anyone feel a significant shift of energy when the Sirius Vortex allegedly opened a few years ago? I didn't - but then that could be because I was in "negative ego"
   
7. Why Lazaris refers to Jach as "the channel": Check this out - Lazaris says they call Jach "the channel" because it's difficult for them to pronounce the "A" in Jach. Doesn't the "A" in "channel" sound the same as the "A" in Jach? Could it really be self-loathing?
   

More to come...

I don't actually think we are disagreeing very much about the Lazaris materials at all, actually. I think most of us here agree that some of the material is useful, and that we have gained some benefit from it.

The reason this site is here isn't because we think all of the Lazaris material is bogus, it's because of the way our lives and relationships have been manipulated by Con:Sin, and because we object to having been hypnotized for years without our knowledge or permission.

It's just lovely that Jach has put together a body of work which includes some helpful hints, but it isn't fine that he lies about the source of them. It also isn't fine with me that he abuses the faith and trust that people have placed in him, or that he manipulates people to worship Peny as some kind of an enlightened being.

The problem being addressed here is the way the material is used to control people's lives, to make Jach and Peny rich, and that it does not work AS PROMISED.

No doubt there are a lot of people who have listened to a few tapes and maybe attended a seminar or two who haven't been drawn into the net of the Evil Black Widow Woman, but there are many who have, and most of us posting here have been.

We have seen families torn apart, people go broke, misery and self-doubt beyond words.
Most of the very wonderful, goodhearted, loving and sincere people posting here have had their throats cut and hearts torn out by Jach, Peny, et. al.

This is what we are objecting to, and as much as that might not matter a whit to you, it matters a big whit to me.

Given that we all agree that "Lazaris" is not the only source for helpful and useful information, I don't honestly get it why anyone would want to have anything to do with the material. That is unless the information provided here is of no consequence, or it is interpreted as something that we all created because we are all a bunch of assholes with negative egos bigger and stronger than all that alleged "healing love" of Lazaris.

We aren't here because of the information, no, we are here because of the behavior of the group that provides the information.

We want to know what their agenda is, and we want to know the truth about the existance of this multi-dimensional being.

Most of us have given some attention to the function and form of mind control, and cults.
It has become increasingly apparent that Con:Sin functions within those definitions, and most of us have a big problem with that.

So, no, Debra, we aren't disagreeing about the value of some of the material. In twenty odd years, Jach hit on some good stuff. So what? Do we need an entity which supports and encourages soul rape to bring us some interesting and useful tidbits?

I say, that is what libraries, bookstores, and personal reflection are for.

I'm glad to know that the Lazaris material gives you a sense of peace, and that it helped you get through a relationship breakup and a serious injury. However, if it delivered as promised, you wouldn't have gone through any of that. That is the stuff that Lazaris promises we can avoid by using the techniques, not just get through.

I self-healed a very serious injury myself without the help of Lazaris, still have my 26 year relationship, own a home in a spectacular town, have money in the bank, good credit, two great cars, and have gotten to do some very exciting travelling with more to come. So what? Ted and I work hard, live responsibly, and take care of ourselves and each other, just like everyone else on the planet who has a decent life, but ironically, unlike the struggling lives of many of our friends who are faithful to the end to Lazaris, and who turn a blind eye to the abuses practiced by Con:Sin.

Isn't it amazing how many people are able to do all those things who have never even heard of Lazaris?

At the end of the day, I think it's just better to do the right things in life rather than spend all our spare time listening to tapes and sitting in seminars to get advise on how to live life. How about just living it? Do we really need to spend all this time and money to have some alleged entity tell us stuff that is basic common sense, or that can be researched and pondered on our own?

I'm still not hearing about any spectacular miracles here, just people living life and getting through it like everyone else, but with a few less bucks in their pocket to pay for something real.

Where's the Beef?

I still hold that this faith and loyalty that is exhibited toward Lazaris is irrational, and therefore I strongly suspect it is the result of subliminal suggestion.

I can't honestly imagine why a decent rational person would feel moved to defend Jach/Lazaris, Con:Sin, otherwise.