You ask what are my feelings about "Higher Self". First, I want to make it very clear that my feelings are just that - my feelings. They are not coming from the "Higher Realms" - or at least not necessarily[g].

I haven't thought a whole lot about Higher Self since moving beyond "Lazaris", but I do have a strong feeling that there is such a thing. I have felt my own Higher Self, but I am skeptical about everything, including my own feelings.

I don't think that we need our Higher Selves to act as an intermediary between ourselves and God. There have been many a Seeker who has "made it home" and never mentioned using their Higher Self as a go-between.

If Jach is faking Lazaris - as I believe - then this represents new levels of arrogance: He either thinks we are too primitive, but he'll show the way, or we're not too primitive but he'll tell us we are.

If we are to define the Higher Self as that part of us that is aware of all of our aspects simultaneously, then I would say that I think that is a real part of us. And it would be a good aspect to communicate with on our journey.

But is it necessary? Must we conceptualize our Higher Self as "Lazaris" would have us do? I think not - it's our own personal journey. The great yogic masters have said that real meditation - not "guided imagery - is a very powerful way to connect, to become self-realized. Self-Realization surely encompasses full knowledge of ourselves on any and all dimensions. Past-life regression and Future Self work are 2 ways we have of communicating with aspects which are usually hidden.

Given that one of the primary purposes of proper meditation is to quiet our minds to allow our other aspects, as well as God, to communicate, I would say that guided imagery is is a major diversion. Guided imagery interferes with our receptivity to our own metaphors and truths. It may be useful for some situations - quitting smoking, losing weight, perhaps - but my feeling is that it hinders our communication with our Higher Self.

Looking back on my relationship with"Lazaris" and C:S, I'm really struck by how I allowed what was to be an aid to my spiritual growth become more and more like the intermediary priest of organized religion. "Lazaris" gained our trust and became our "authority. The structure and dynamic of the Lazaris Material conforms to what most of us wanted to avoid. The "Mapmakers" are the "Chosen" people to deliver and be delivered a New Age. There are internal Devils like negative ego, and external Devils like Orion creating fear and anxiety for which more tapes and information are needed to protect against the enemy. There is the Heaven of Lemurian redemption. And confessionals in "magic time" and phone consutations and even blendings. Then there's the God-like omniscience and omnipresence -- you can ask "Lazaris" to listen, love and protect you anywhere, any time. And guess who has the exclusive knowledge and tools (and crystals) to get us there/bring it here. All the tapes, books, videos, seminar notes that permeated my house -- even my car, even my calendar were a physical representations of how thoroughly my mind and spirit had become enmeshed with "Lazaris." Something I thought was giving me an edge in my growth, was actually a lot of dependant, addicting, guilt producing, workaholic, expensive, limiting baggage.

Now I feel lighter in every sense of the word. I feel closer to Myself. The direct connection is bringing me peace. Furthermore, it's much easier to be in my body and in relationship to the world without all the Lazaris "yama-yama" intervening and pulling on my thoughts and feelings.

In considering my own goals on this site, what I want is even more light. Cosmic Fool is like a lighthouse. A lot of what the light shines on makes me angry, sad and disgusted, but after 14 years of allowing myself to be blinded, I definitely owe myself however long I need to illuminate the situation. And to share my understanding and support with others, because this is a very challenging process. The rage and the pain (which some invisible visitors seem to be able to ignore) are not the point of being here, they are part of the process of clearing and literally deprogramming oneself.

Yes, Karolina we are taking our power back, and I too wish the liberation and joy that this brings to anyone who has lost the sense that they are their own authority.

Love,
Jade

[[IMO, even more important than not focusing on one source for spiritual information, is to never trust any spiritual source(s) more than myself]]

I found it very interesting reading your quote here how QUICKLY my mind jumped to "oh no that’s dangerous".

I can tell you that came directly from my contact with Lazaris because I never thought that trusting the self was dangerous before my involvement with Lazaris.

WHY? Because Lazaris said we should trust ourselves and even taught us how to trust. Because I had come to trust Lazaris, it never occurred to me that my decreasing self trust was anything other than my inability to integrate the information.

I actually found myself thinking that I felt more confident when I didn’t know how many things could go wrong..[g]

Forgetting for quite a while Seth’s ever wise maxim, “You get what you concentrate on, there is no other rule”

Of course, Lazaris teaching us how to trust ourselves itself reveals a confusing premise:

You cannot trust yourself to trust yourself so you have to be taught how…

Even now as I write this, I think to myself::

”yeah.. it is important to have a basis of trust and to have cleared out the aspects of you that might be self destructive and masquerading as intuition or common sense”..

That much IS true, who could argue with that ?

But that isn’t what happened with the Lazaris material for me and evidently a great number of other people who also found themselves in the same predicament after prolonged exposure to the growing list of potential inner sabatours.

As each new saboteur was introduced, it did give the impression were somehow functioning just one step ahead of a disaster.

Lazaris referred over and over to people destroying their realities in a second with a bad decision and a moment in negative ego.

The message is mixed Trust yourself but only at your own risk…LOL
Trust yourself but only when you have a basis for trust.. . But how can you ever be certain you have reasonably met those criteria that Lazaris has “suggested” [note the several levels of meaning of the word “suggested”]?

The criteria was ever expanding over the years. Self Pity, Victim/Martyr, the basic permutations of negative ego were ones that made sense to me and still do with some minor adjustments. If it had just stopped there, it was manageable and workable and useful.

But then we get the “Dark Law” the “Dark Shield” the “Personal Nemesis” the “Dream Stealer” “The objector” etc…onward and upward until we get to such lunacy as “Orion” menaces.

The more information the greater the opportunity to create a fear around what might go wrong.

Was Lazaris aware of this dynamic and if so why did he not address it? Did Lazaris notice that many people were loosing confidence in themselves and becoming needy and dependant?

If Lazaris wasn’t aware of this dynamic then what does that say about the credibility of the teaching??

If there are people reading this who have worked closely with Lazaris over the years and really know the material [not just heard a few tapes and went to a few workshops] and have found themselves stronger and more centered as a result of working with Lazaris, I would be very grateful to hear from them and their thoughts on what I have written.

Unfortunately, all this does raise the question of the legitimacy of this work. Even sadder it raises the question of the sincerity of Lazaris desire to help.

Cheers,

Jeremiah

iwonder you wrote,

"Lazaris said we are supposed to use the materials to create our own materials. Meaning learn then translate into OUR ways and means."

Yes I remember that but…

And Jade you wrote,

"The time to "learn and then translate into OUR ways and means" never comes. In fact the deeper one is into this manure, the more distant the likelihood of any kind of personal "translation."

I spoke to Katie a while back about this very issue. This was one of those things I felt so guilty about. Every time I did a meditation with Lazaris, the higher aspect of me would step in and take over. She would take me on a completely different meditation while Lazaris was off on another topic or in another scene. I felt guilty about this for years! Weird, eh?!!! Here I was making the material my own and I felt guilty because I could not 'blend' with Lazaris the being of 'Love and Light'. All I could think was, "Why could I not open to him? What was wrong with me?" Being with my Higherself was easy! I didn't have to go through any fancy meditation to get to her or blend with her. She was always there! It's the fact that I didn't have an intimate relationship to Lazaris that made me feel inadequate.

Even though Lazaris may tell you to make the work your own there are so many reasons not to. There is an incredible amount of focus put on Lazaris's love for us and how if we are open enough we can feel that love and receive so much from it. Looking back I now feel that a truly humble being would not have put so much focus on themselves at all. They would have kept it entirely to 'Your Higherself' and 'God/ess'. There is a lot of power in the words "We love you." Even if a 'light being' means it with all sincerity, if they truly know us as well as they claim to, they would know that those are some of the most powerful words that can be spoken to vulnerable beings looking for love and enlightenment. As humans those words set-up so much within us.
"Wow! I feel so special! I am loved and known by a being from a higher realm!" How does that not set up expectations? If you are looking for connection and a sense of meaning, why would you not want to be apart of that?! I have a feeling they know the power they are gaining here by using these words. If you don't believe me just try it yourself. Got a person in your life who really wants some love and attention? Go tell them you love them over and over again and they are going to pay attention to everything you have to say.
"We are here to be your friend." Wow again! A being from a higher realm wants to be my friend! They want to give me the answers to some of the most important questions in the Universe! Who wouldn't want to just give into that?! OK ya, he says make it my own. But they have it all figure out so nicely. It's been packaged so neatly. If I follow step a, b and c and really do the work, I should get the results I am looking for. Why would anyone really need to truly make the material their own? Besides it's copy written isn't it?

IMO a subject that needs especially serious review and reconsideration is the subject of "Lazaris" and the Higher Self. In defining a HS, J/L made himself an essential part of the equation: You + Your Higher Self + "Lazaris"

J/L cast himself as an intermediary entity between us and a Higher Self. Said he communicated with the HS before we did, and that he maintained ongoing communication. He wrote a book, made tapes, held seminars about our relationships with our own essential inner being. He defined it for us, told us how to meet it. And created meditations about it, some including the Orb and the HS. He let it be known that he was more evolved than HS -- he's helping it to grow. Muchas gracias Jach.

The last section of the Morning tape is an emotional telling of how The Orb led HS to us. And OH the excitment of the HS to finally know that one of hundreds of it's own manifestations was going (and coming) HOHME. The poor dumb lonely HS is so grateful to know that it is not alone. How f***ing poignant.

If you have problems connecting with your HS, maybe you need to buy tapes on deserving, receiving, loving or being loved, busting neg. ego, etc -- hell by 'em all. And memorize those tedious meditations in the book. And overcome your problems with visualizing.

My HS, which I prefer to refer to as my inner Self (IS), pretty much refused to participate in reinforcing J/L's parasitic HS BS. After years of trying to open to Sparky's pathetic version of my own inner being, spontaneous IS experiences, pre L and post L, have reinforced the absurdity of his claims.

Maybe Craig could ask "Lazaris" to ask my HS if Lazaris is real.

Jade

PS. Miss Pee surely had a profoundly touching relationship with her HS.

I have always wondered why my 'higher self' didn't squeeze back when our hands met. I spent so long doing series of meditations about connecting with HS, re-did the stuff so many times just to be sure and also because I never felt the reality that laz promised I would feel if I did the meditations and techniques (needless to state it was because of my ...you name it).

Recently I have been thinking that if I do have a higher self and if lazaris is a great big phoney then the last thing that the higher self would do is to encourage or create a connection or even create a good reality according to the tenets of lazaris because that would only embed me in them further.

The other question regarding this is what exactly IS a higher self. Do people who don't have this concept fail to connect with God or spirituality? I don't somehow think so. More and more I wonder about the role of the meditations and detailed techniques, the plethora of 'beings' from magicians to shining ones, from higher selves to counsellors, old men, old women. Are they just a metaphor? if so why present them as fact? Do they DO anything other than sell tapes?

Good topic, thank you
ali

I also was glad to see you address this higher self topic.

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The Orb led HS to us. And OH the excitment of the HS to finally know that one of hundreds of it's own manifestations was going (and coming) HOHME. The poor dumb lonely HS is so grateful to know that it is not alone. How f***ing poignant.

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I just relistened to this the other night and took some notes. I used to love this tape and now I shudder at the times I went to sleep with this freakish fairy tale.

laz also said on the tape that he told our higher self that out there was a "you" who would wake up and who would find that SPARK and follow it wherever it led.

This really bothers me since laz always referred to himself as a "spark" of light. I wonder now if jach didn't intentionally say it like this so we would be programmed to follow the spark of laz wherever it led.
I get the creepiest feeling about this.

He then goes on to say he told our HS we would not give up or quit, though some would have you lower your expectations or give up your dreams, you would not. (more hypnotic suggestions?)

He said they (HS) did not believe us (laz) at first, (Why? Did they know something we didn't?)
but then they found you and they came running to us with wide eyes and innocence (like us when we signed up to be in your cult?)
and told us about this special "you".

Then laz says that the HS asks them to help us find them and laz said "Yes".

Then laz does a massive love bombing for us and our HS. He also said that even though we would never be able to figure out why they loved us ($) just know that they do.

I never questioned this and now I can see it for what it really is. If I had a HS as laz describes then it would have known about the me in this lifetime. It wouldn't have needed laz to find me.

Jade, you really called this one right - bullshit.

Katie, you wrote:

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I think the more we look at all of these Lazarian concepts the more we will see more of the same. It's always about us needing Lazaris, being grateful to Lazaris, the non-intevening Lazaris intervening on our behalf, always for our highest good of course. The twists and turns of it all are dazzling in their a-MAZE-ment.

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That's exactly it - the gratitude that jach wanted us to feel kept us in a space where we would not question the material (or the source of that material). How could we? It would be so ungrateful and in the face of all that love(his definition) we wouldn't even consider questioning it.

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We need to do more of this, IMO. We need to be taking these concepts apart one by one, chopping them apart until we find ourselves in that place where there are no unanswered questions, no garbage to sift through to find the gems, no inconsistancies to turn a blind eye to so we can hold on to the "good stuff". This thinking is truly mind boggling to me, but so very much indicitive of the studies done on people who have been long imprisoned.

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I agree 100%. The more we shed the light of truth on these concepts the more power we take back.

Ted, you wrote:

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Putting our power outside of ourselves is IMO a major part of the Lazaris Material. Lazaris will stand between us and God, between us and our Higher Selves, between us and our language (hence their own definitions of so many words such as Love, Trust, ego), between us and our successes. But they won't stand between us and our failures. We don't need a middle man, especially one that charges such a huge markup and delivers cut merchandise.

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How true this is. Laz/jach did tapes on claiming our personal power. We thought we were taking back our power. That was the illusion that was created by jach/laz while all along we gave away our power to laz.

Jach's HS = H$

Sincerely,

Mickey

ps - Craig, I really liked the FOL to FOOL!!