you wrote:

[[So, maybe it's possible for two people to believe exactly the same thing, but one who has been brainwashed into those beliefs might not have the ability to actually benefit much from those beliefs, yet the one who has come by them through their own efforts, and out of their own self-trust can actually access the power behind those beliefs. Do you know what I mean?]]

Yeah, I see what you mean and it is an excellent point. Lazaris himself always pointed out that the most damaging teachings were those that contained some of the truth but not all of the truth. "Half truths" were poison because they could lure you in enough and yet keep you spinning your wheels with the remainder.

I am thinking alot about the contrast between the older tapes and the more recent ones.

Lazaris talked often, early on, about how success is a defaulted position. The universe is wanting us to be successful and if we just take away what is blocking that success it would happen.

That makes sense to me and it is also my experience. The question though, that it raises is : if success is a defaulted position, do we need super duper complex manifestation techniques that we can only learn from Lazaris?

What could the complex " mist of manifestation" technique accomplish that simply getting out your own way couldn't much quicker and with much less struggle???

Strange, why not just visualize a result and let it happen if the universe is set up to be hoping and begging for our success. I believe that the universe is set up that way, btw, I just think it is a contradiction of ACTION on the part of the Lazaris material to state that and then IMPLY by teaching three thousand workshops on the topic of success that more effort is needed.

I have always been an admirer of the Seth material for many reasons, one of which is the fact that Seth doesn't offer suggestions contrary to the basic premises of his material. It may be an interesting parenthetical here for those readers of Seth to note that Lazaris has always spoken highly of Seth and the work Jane Roberts did.
Peny North is also on the record, admiring Seth, that is until recently she dismissed him as unecessary or something to that effect.

Also interesting to note how much Lazaris in the earlier material used to make "suggestions" there was an effort on the part of Lazaris to emphasize that they were not a leader or guru and had no desire to be so, in fact had long moved beyond those levels of development.

Lazaris has perhaps, but NorthPurselNorth seem to vacation there regularly. How can you year after year KNOW that people are maxing out their credit and struggling to make these seminars. How can you BILK them even more by implying that crystals from less expensive sources might me negative and that the really great crystals are finding their way only to Lazaris??????????

WOULD LAZARIS HIMSELF EVER SAY SUCH A THING??

What it creates, of course, is an eager consumer base that wants the power of crystal work at their disposal but has been frightened away from using their own intuition and resources to evaluate a crystals metaphysical viability on their own.

Nice, real nice and empowering.. Awakening the Fear...

Which illustrates the contempt which I think that the overpriced crystals show for the consumer. Its almost "take that Suckah!" you paid hundreds of dollars to be in the room for the seminar and you will pay even more than that for a crystal that you could get from more honest sources at a fraction of the cost.

Cheers,

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{{I think there is a certain amount of laziness involved. Claus mentioned that some "Friends of Lazaris" were proud of the fact that they were not familiar with Plato and other great philosophers. I admit to having put all my eggs in Lazaris' basket, as well. ]]

It is amazing, I just wrote a post about how much compensating I have done with Lazaris.

Listening to the latest tape was a real eye opener. The quality and the organization of ideas is so poor and the use of flattery, calling us magicians every 10 seconds has really picked up over the past few years. Obviously the strategy is to provide alot of puffing of the ego and ease up on the research

Some of it, literally, doesn't make any sense.. if you can stay awake long enough [g]

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[[Prior to discovering Lazaris, I did persue other avenues of wisdom. But I thought that Lazaris, being from the "Higher Realms", covered it all[lol]. If I had known that this "wisdom" was coming from just one more imperfect mortal, I would have looked elsewhere.]]

Yeah, really a big lesson there. I tend to believe the single most damaging thing my involvement with this bullshit has been shutting off other sources of information.

Cheers,