We can assume that some people reading this information here about the details of Peny's death will ask why we are interested or concerned or whether or not it is an invasion of privacy and propriety that we have pursued and are providing this information.

The ConSin spin on this site is that we are all functioning from an unexplainable place of unjustified anger, jealousy, and rage.

Although we've been down this road before, I think this might be a good time to open this conversation again.

My personal motivations stemmed originally from information Ted and I started to receive information that had never been revealed by Jach, such as his history of having studied Silva Mind control methods. This kind of information, and lots more that indicated that we weren't getting the full story caused me to want to know every detail about this group that I could dig up.

I had already been doing research on mind control and manipulation in a completely different context. More and more the search engines were bringing me to cult awareness websites in response to my queries using those terms. As I read the definitions of a cult provided, I found to my shock that my interactions with the Con:Sin and the further information I was receiving fell into the definition of a destructive mind control cult.

Given my shocking and disturbing process of having to re-evaluate my spiritual base of twelve years I did a lot of heartfelt soul searching and sending of out SOSs to the universe. My personal quest yielded a lot of very clear information assuring me that there is no helpful entity which would create a set-up like this. I have written the details of all of this on the Friend or Fraud part of the site. http://www.cosmicfool.com/lazaris

Ted and I decided to put up this site as a way of hearing from others who might be having the same questions and doubts, and to hopefully hear more information which would help in our quest to figure this all out. It also has served as a very effective way of processing the building righteous anger we were feeling. There is nothing at all unjustified in the anger that is a part of fueling this site.

The response has been far beyond anything we ever expected. Although it hasn't always been an easy road, we have shared this exploration here with mostly sincere people who had also been pondering many of the same issues.

It's just too much to go into the process that has occured here, but we have essentially opened a dialogue and investigation of cults, mind control, psychological and emotional manipulation, and learned a lot in the process. We've heard hundreds of stories about investment schemes, bad health advice, humiliations, degradations, breaches of trust, lies, distortions, manipulations, and mind boggling nonsense.

Although we have asked for it, we have gotten very little in the way of any substantial evidence that the Lazaris materials have been beneficial as they claim to be. Certainly many true and faithful believers have visited and contributed, but to date only a few have had much to say beyond to make general statements and assign motives to us for posting our thoughts here. We've had virtually no defense provided for the behavior of Jach, Peny, and the Gangsters, and we've yet to hear one personal anecdote that shows Jach as anything other than a very angry, nasty, selfish, arrogant human being. As controversial and blatently nasty as Peny was, she wins the popularity contest hands down among those who have had personal or intimate interactions with the two of them, a dubious honor.

Just as things kind of settled down here we had the news of Peny's death and Micheall's suicide and the discussion heated up again as more information came in, and particularly due to the edict of silence on the topic issued by Con:Sin.

We've had quite a few distractors, detractors, and private agendas to wade through, but in the process many who felt the need to share and discuss were provided with the opportunity to do so.

There is a group of us who are committed to seeing this issue through to some kind of evidentiary or behavioral closure. That means that we are wanting to know all the details of what goes on behind closed doors at Con:Sin that has anything to do with the materials provided, the claims made, or the impact of the behavior of that group on the followers. Some of us would like to see Jach put out of business, some would even like to see him jailed for fraud. Others just want a place to talk once in awhile, or to have the ability to read along as they work through their disillusionment on their own. And there is an overwhelming disillusionment here. Even the tried and true have expressed that on some level.

The details of Peny's death are pertinent simply because she was billed by Lazaris as the most powerful magician in the world, the shining light in the universe, etc etc. In that role she had power and status. She influenced countless people and participated in forming a belief system that is for many the foundation of their spirituality, the way they view and function in the world.

I think Peny's death was a protracted horror, one which opens even further questions. It certainly has provided an opportunity to lay culpability for dishonesty directly at Lazaris' feet. Only the most completely mind controlled could ignore the FACT that Lazaris and Jach both lied about the details of her passing.

I think this is very important information that is vital for all "friends of Lazaris" to ponder. If Lazaris led us down the path for 30 odd years on the topic of Lazaris, how else have we been misled? What are the implications to those who continue to look to Lazaris when making vital life decisions, raising kids, accepting jobs, making moves, responding to terrorists?

I can't answer those questions, but only provide the opportunity for the publication of as much information and perspective as possible to allow for others to find the truth for themselves.

I'd like very much to hear from others who might want to add anything, even though I know we've hashed this through a million times. We do have new visitors arriving, and I suspect that as the news spreads, and we get hard copies of the reports that there will be more.