You said, "I understand the concept of non-intereferrence but I have to question Lazaris association with this noxious tribe?

How could Lazaris stand by and watch them swindle people? Abuse people in the forum? Contradict what Lazaris says because it doesn't fit in with their right of Reagan politics?"

Welcome, Jeremiah, and what you said above is EXACTLY what brought me to strongly doubt and question the realness of Lazaris. Like I said to Karolina, I don't believe that Lazaris would abandon Peny, but there would have been major changes by now such as the ending of abuse and outright lies and character assassinations and judgements. They need to look in their own mirrors before they publicly judge and negatively influence others. There's not a one of us who is perfect! And they are CLEAR contradictions of what Lazaris has said.

Also want to mention that someone once told me that they "became very wealthy" because of Lazaris, finding themselves owning two homes instead of paying rent and owning nothing! This was years ago and I now know that it was during the time of Tradevest. He must have been one of the "chosen" ones!
I, of course, felt even more like a failure after years of processing and programming and still not a home owner.

It doesn't matter really because it's all where we put our attention and energy that gets us to where we're at, what our priorities are, as well as where our past choices have taken us. It's not important to me that I own a house so of course I don't! So what!! 8-)

You say you recently let C:S know that you don't want anything to do with them and I know that must have been a very difficult place to come to after 14 years. You haven't lost a thing, IMO, and though they at C:S wouldn't tell you this, your relationship with God/Goddess/All That Is is positively dynamic!!! 8-)

Love, light, and welcome again,

GroovinMagi

A question I have been asking myself throughout this process of reevaluation is
whether or not it is possible that Lazaris simply doesn't interfer with Jach and Peny and that the greed, hostility etc., is simply a reflection of these humans rather than Lazaris.

Is Lazaris practicing some "metaphysical manners" in not taking a more active role in the way Concept Synergy and its officers conduct their business?

Lazaris has said over and over again that he creates his own reality too. Lazaris also says that he creates the consequences in his reality.

We learned [correctly, IMO] from Lazaris to be responsible for our own reality and to own the impact of our decisions and be accountable for the consequences of those decisions.

I think that if you adopt the line that maybe Jach and Peny are all screwed up but Lazaris is exactly as he presents himself, you are in the odd position of holding Lazaris to a lower level of responibility and accountablity than we have learned to hold ourselves and others to.

Lazaris is accountable and responsible for the reality he creates. He is responsible and accountable for his association with Peny and Jach.

Look, if you were in business with unscrupulous obnoxious and nasty people would you expect the world to say it has nothing to do with you?

If Lazaris doesn't want to interfere with their "growth" then why doesn't he take responsiblity and end his association with them?

Like it or not in many ways Lazaris IS Concept Synergy.

Lazaris creates his own reality and is accountable for that creation. That creation includes business associates that have been viscious to other Lazaris "friends" and have even gone so far as to swindle them out of money in a MLM scheme.

Lazaris is responsible and accountable for that creation.

Lazaris calls his followers "friends". Has he behaved in a responsible manner to his friends by setting up this greedy nasty enterprise to spread his teachings.

Lets not forget that according to Lazaris he is not here to save the planet and he is not here to save us. Workshops according to Lazaris [listen to the sirius connection tape] are not necessary to our growth but "fun" adjuncts to it.

Lazaris says his is a preference. One that could easily be delivered with much less cost by the tapes alone.

So if people think that Lazaris would put up with this gang because his message is so important he is contradicting himself.

I have paraphrase McLuen again

"The medium IS the message"

What do others think? I am very interested in hearing from people who might disagree with me about this and have insight to offer I might not have considered.

Peace,

First,I think the most obvious question to ask is, "Why would a wise and loving entity chose Peny?" There is no good answer to that, except that a wise and loving entity would not chose Peny.

Although Con:Sin's expanation for Jach being the channel is Peny's shining spirituality, hey, I ask the same question. Why would a wise and loving entity chose Jach as the channel? Same answer as above.

If, hypothetically, "Lazaris" actually exists, then Peny would have ready access to all that wisdom and love daily. So wouldn't she discuss what she is consumed with talking about with the "Gang" and on the forum, day in and day out? And get some "magic time" advice on compassion and caring, or allow herself to be smothered in a loving bubble of light, no taller than..

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ok, if you were in business with unscrupulous obnoxious and nasty people would you expect the world to say it has nothing to do with you?

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Of course not! That's why a mere mortal like myself just cut off my business ties with C:S. And sales of my work had picked up over the past few months (ripple effect from the crystal bonanza). I don't want to be associated with a Con:Syn. Neither would a wise and loving entity want to contaminate the love and wisdom with forum slaughters, information incongruities and the ensuing confusion.

Jeremiah, for me it all started to make sense once I realized that Jach is performing what we saw as "Lazaris." If you try to imagine it from that perspective, the rest falls into place.

I know that actors will close their eyes and be still for a moment to go inside to find and become the character that they are portraying. Then suddenly you have a different being before you -- with seven steps to tell you about.

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Like it or not in many ways Lazaris IS Concept Synergy.

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Sure is.

Lazaris/Concept;Synergy = the Medium/Message.

Love,
Jade

I have been told of incidents where Lazaris was asked in private readings about the goings on in Con:Sin, and specifically Peny's rotten behavior, and that they received no response from Lazaris.

I believe someone posted a similar second hand story here also.

I'm interested too, in hearing of anyone who has had a dialogue with L about their discomfort with the behavior of the Gang.

Thanks for asking that, I think you read my mind and beat me to it, I was just thinking of starting this same thread.

Woo Woo!!!

After all this pussy-footing around about Lazaris not being responsible for C:S' behaviour, I've come to the conclusion that they are responsible. Not for their behaviour, perhaps, but certainly for their sanction of it.

As I mentioned elsewhere, I would not enlist the help of known criminals, regardless of the nobility of the ends. "Lazaris" has said many times that the ends don't justify the means. How do they justify the behaviour of C:S?

"They" are particularly responsible for not addressing false interpretations of "their" material. "They" went out of their way to address our group's alleged misinterpretation of "convenance" (like they get to be the final authority on the definitions of words). But not a peep about the manipulation, punishment, and assorted mind games going on the Forum that bears their name.

And the explanation of non-intervention doesn't cut it. First off, non-intervention means not saying anything bad or good about a situation. They did talk about the Forum - how it was a new paradigm of adult communication, blah, blah They talked about Peny's spiritual prowess They talked about how effective a channel Jach is

Secondly, there is a thin line between non-intervention and apathy or cowardice. I can claim non-intervention when watching someone get mugged without trying to stop it, but sane people would see it for what it is - cowardice and/or apathy. Seinfeld and his friends were convicted for it. People in the Forum cheered the conviction. Well now, the Grand Orb is on trial for similar "criminal indifference".

Cheers, Ted