To quote from the person who wrote you and Ted in anger over this site:

[["I did not read every word in every thread on your site but I read enough to feel massive jealousy, envy (except regarding Peny's personal appearance) and rage flowing out of your posts]]

I have been thinking more about the accusation of jealousy and envy on this writers part.

Jelous and envious of exactly what? The only thing that could plausibly inspire jealousy and envy is their vast material wealth.

Although, what good is that material wealth when you are basically a recluse and a confirmed non-travleler. Both of which I understand Peny to be.

Jealous of fun filled jam packed days of adventure? Reliable sources tell me they spend their time daytrading on the internet and gorging on right wing politcal propaganda, which is then spewed in toto on the forum under the heading of "research".

There is a fair amount of time devoted to Ebay shopping [or there was at least until all those evil crystals started popping up there]

The remainder of the day and night are devoted to meals, the current outrage of the day and discussions over whose mad at whom and why.

Much time goes into processing the crisis je jour and the group gang up on whoever happens to be pissing Peny off that day.

Mapmakers.

This is based on the reliable account of a former mutual friend.

Sounds like fun huh?

Put the wealth aside for a moment. What else is there to be jealous of? Her relationship with Lazaris?

I know this is something that inspires a considerable amount of jealousy on the part of many Lazaris followers.

But once you get outside the Lazaris "set" [g] and consider the disasterous results of this daily counsel on Peny, Jach and Michael North, you would be hard pressed to wish this for yourself.

Peny is a raging infantile greedy hurtful woman . Peny talks to Lazaris every day. You do the math

Lazaris came with the express purpose of talking to Peny [ Why is anyones guess, maybe higher up spiritual types like a challenge].

Did Lazaris come to talk to Peny to help her grow into this????

What is the impact of Lazaris relationship on Peny?

She must have had moments of kindness over the years, certainly when she is courting someone she can be materially very generous but how self serving is that?

The documented facts remain that she has [along with Jach Pursel and Michaell North] used Lazaris to lure followers into at least one bullshit get rich quick scam which left her profiting and the trustful followers empty handed.

The carnage of her abuse is documented in the archives of the Jach and Lazaris forum.

Look quickly for those archives however, for they may decide to get rid of the archives altogether. They eliminated the abuse done too Ted and Katie from the record.

As an aside, to anyone from the forum reading this take an archival look at the latest major bloodbath involving the woman that dared to express her feelings about Jachs revised workshop schedule.

Look quickly though, they are probably cutting that one out as well. I spent the last day I was a member of the forum reading it, all TEN threads. Search under "major changes in the workshop schedule" If its still there read it and see what you really think. If its now gone, why?

I am asking this of any friend of Peny's reading this to please offer evidence that she is not the person portrayed in these pages.

My theory [go ahead, prove me wrong on this] is that the oft vaunted "loyalty" to Peny that her immediates profess is really just fear. Fear of Peny and her well establised volatility.

I think the outrage on this readers behalf is really masking a fear of Peny and the loss of Lazaris that is linked with Penys anger in most peoples minds.

What inspires this loyalty? What is the basis of this loyalty? Her shitty behavior towards nearly everyone? No. Loyalty can be inspired by fear, often is. Sometimes people defend a person because they are afraid not to, not because of any deeply felt connection.

It is strange to see people get all outraged and defensive on Peny's behalf without addressing the basis of the criticism.

I have reason to believe certain people would love to discredit this site. Why don't they just do it by refuting what is written here, point by point. Dispute the charges, that would be the qucikest and surest silencer.

Apparantly they cannot.

Lazaris talked about the intimate relationship that is formed between the abused and the abuser.

I think in Peny and her clan we see the object lesson of that.

Cheers,

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The thing is, we have no idea what goes on behind the scenes. I do think there are some people willing to question them. Not many though.

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We do know some of what goes on behind the scenes, through the information provided to us by people who have been there.

What we know is that the behind the scenes dynamic makes the Forum look like a picnic on a sunny day.

We know that anyone who dares to ask questions is/was subjected to sometimes hours of "loving" intervention to get them back on track. It has been stated about Peny that she once proudly announced that she didn't mind staying up all night if she had to in the interest of "clearing up" any
issues or problems.

People who have been subjected to these love fests have reported that they were group sessions where one person was the target and everyone else joined in with input as to exactly how and why the subject was wrong.

We have been told that all Con:Sin employees, volunteers, and friends were involved in these sessions, and that most lived in total fear of ever being on the hot seat, and experienced overwhelming relief when it wasn't themself being skewered.

None of this can come as any surprise to anyone who has spent any time in the Forum.

This is mind controlling, destructive, soul eroding, spirtual rape and cult behavior by any sane person's definition.

As Jeremiah has pointed out on another thread today, this behavior goes far beyond any that can simply be written off as "only being human". It has gone on for years, and there is no indication that anything has changed of late.

My question is why has "Lazaris" permitted this? We know that "he" has been asked this in private readings, and has responded with complete silence. Some pal!

If there is anyone who has asked and received an answer, I hope they will speak up and let us know what it was.

On that topic, we also have it on good authority that Peny listened to the private reading tapes as a way of gathering "evidence" to later use against people. We also know that "Lazaris" has used them to misrepresent and humiliate individuals during seminars.

Do you know all those cute stories Lazaris tells about this and that friend of theirs, those little personal anecdotes used to illustrate points? Several people have told us that the were present at seminars where their own private lives and information was used in this way, but that they were not accurately or fairly represented, and that "Lazaris" was deliberately taking the opportunity to embarrass, punish, manipulate, and shame them.

What a guy.

It is stories like these, and the story of Jachzaris using a Magic Time to punish and manipulate one of our dear friends here by lying about her in front of hundreds of people, and attempting to break up her family that serves as full proof to me that it is irrelevent whether or not it was Jach or some entity speaking, whoever it is is a foul and vindictive being with absolutely no conscience or committment to honesty, decency, or human rights.

This is Lazaris we're talking about here, not "just some human".

Sorry, I've gotten off on a tangent.

I think we can be very sure that Jach's second email did not come from any place of caring, compassion, or integrity on his part.

No one at Con:Sin is very practiced in correcting themselves, and not everyone in the world is willing to buy the line that anyone who would question them, their actions, or motives must be in negative-ego.

So, it would appear, that on occasion, even Jach finds himself taking the good "advice" of others besides "Lazaris", however reluctantly. It must be rough.

Katie

We have had many people write here about their traumatic experiences with Jach and Peny and Concept Synergy.

To my knowledge, nowhere on this board has anyone ever denied or offered an alternate,positive, view of these people or the company they represent.

What is offered is the "Jach and Peny are just human" defense.

There are a couple of things about that defense that do not sit well with me.

First of all, I sense a possible agenda in that argument of using shame to silence people who have been hurt by Concept Synergy .

The "only human" defense seems to imply that those who have suffered at the hand of CS and now want to evaluate and question that experience "caused" their own pain by expecting something super human from Jach and Peny.

The implication is that if they were more spiritual or more of an adult they wouldn't have done that.

The implication is that a super human status is being projected onto Jach and Peny and that they are the unfair recipients of that projection.

In other words, it makes Jach and Peny into victims or martyrs to a great cause.

They are not victims,in my opinion, they are perpetrators.

True, whoever was victimized by Jach and Peny created that reality. And maybe they created it for a very good reason, none of us are in a position to say or to judge that.

The way off the victim gameboard is to acknowledge first that you are playing victim and then to get off it.

You cannot get out of victim by pretending you were in a run of the mill "human" situation where nobody bears any responsiblity for anything because they are "human".

If you were playing victim someone else was playing perpetrator.

and that someone else in this instance is Jach, Peny and Concept Synergy.

If you are going to be honest about the game, you have to be honest about the whole game, imo, and that involves analysing and understanding the dynamics of the perpetrator.

It also seems to me that it could be inferred from the "only human" defense that all of us have done things and behaved in ways we wished we hadn't and as such we would be well advised to look the other way lest someone call us to task for our human errors.

But the implication there seems to be that all human misdeeds are all on a relativstic scale and have relative impact and therefore and none is worse than any other.

Following that "logic" the whole range of human experience can be dismissed in a phrase.

That doesn't strike me as so spiritual if your spirituality is your relationship with the all that is.

No shit Jach and Peny are only human. That goes without saying.

What Jach and Peny and Concept Synergy have done to people over the years has been SUB human, imo.

And those that continue to accept Concept Synergy's abuse and disrespect and call it "honoring their privacy " or "accepting their humanness" or spiritual evolvement do so at great personal expense in my opinion.

One time Jach called me early in the morning playing politician over an incident that literally had nothing to do with me.

He was trying to smooth over a conflict between Peny and someone else and probably thought that by schmoozing me he could achieve his goal quicker.

He blathered on and on about how Peny made a mistake with this person and that she was "human too".

But the whole conversation from him seems completely disingenous to me now in retrospect.

It really seemed to me that they had gotten into a habit of justifying their behaviour by saying they were only human when they got caught doing something so unacceptable that it couldn't be ignored.

It appeared to me as though they were in the habit of patting themselves on the back for their "humility" whenever they copped to their "human" status after doing something nasty.

Funny how someone can be touted as the most important person on the planet one minute and then "only human" when it suits her the next.

Sounds expedient to me.

But the proof is in the action isn't it? Have they altered or changed any of their greedy nasty ways in the last years?

Yes, we all do things we are not proud of but how many of us set ourselves up to be the stewards of spiritual enlightenment and from that elevated position spiritually, emotionally and mentally abuse people for years?

Cheers,

Jeremiah

Way back on page 1 of this thread, IMO said:

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A while back CS sent the schedule for the rest of this year and all of next year 2002.
No titles on the 2002 stuff, just the dates. I don't remember them ever being so far in advance. I guess around these tenuous times they wanted us all to know J&L&CS would be around for awhile. They don't want no peasant uprising.

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What amazed me was this sentence at the top of the 2002 schedule:

"Since we know many of you need to make travel plans in advance, below are the dates for the 2002 seminars so that you can
plan ahead."

Excuse me? Plan ahead? Who wants to plan ahead and get nonrefundable airline tickets for events that have a good chance of getting cancelled without near so much as an apology?