Let's hope that your chosen thread name is prophetic. I simply can't believe that Con:Sin can continue to function after this insanity of the past few days.

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I personally feel a deep sense of betrayal in that Michaell chose to end his life in this way. Is the physical plane so "unbearable" that one has to leave it for another (albeit highly evolved)loved one? This act was so utterly inconsistent with the teachings of L. and so many other great masters, that I wonder.

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This is what suicide does, and why it's such a sickening and foul choice for a person to make. Those left behind are left feeling completely betrayed.

I didn't know Michaell, probably not too many of us did, but he too was a public figure via his marriage to Peny. He was the most mythical of those icons at Con:Sin, someone we only heard glowing stories about from Peny, Jach/Zaris, et. al.

We were encouraged by them to respect and admire him. He was touted to be a stellar and world class Magician. We were meant to
emulate him. Now this!!

What a set-up for horror and disaster. No, Micheall's suicide is not in line with any spiritual teachings, but somehow Jach is trying to elevate the decision in this case to one of an enlightened choice. May Jach have far less power and influence than we fear he does. Given my experiences, I fear he does have the power to influence others to accept even this outrageous and psychotic
perspective on Michaell's purely cowardly and disgusting act.

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And what I wonder even more is that Michaell and Peny finally realized the nature of their greed and exploitation of us, and took the easy way out, despite Jach's assurances that this was the fulfillment of a "sacred covenent" with the most "wonderful woman in the world". What immennse arrogance to present another deceased human being in this way!

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I truly believe that Jach is completely blinded by his "love" (insane co-dependency)
for Peny. And oh yes, he is arrogant, that is for sure. His arrogance knows no bounds, but he has been propped up for years by "love" (insane co-dependency) of his followers.

It's quite possible that Peny and Michaell saw the writing on the wall much more quickly than Jach did, but I don't know. Will these events take down Con:Sin? One can hope, but time will tell. I suspect that Jach would have no problem filling a room with record numbers of people, all anxious to hear some details or receive some kind of comfort or clarification on these deaths. Where else can the true believers turn for help and information? Of course, they could turn to themselves, to their own inner wisdom, but after years of practiced dependency on "Lazaris" to guide them along, I suspect that won't happen.

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Even more so, they realized their sick game was up and had nowhere to run.

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This most "wonderful woman in the world" has trashed and shamed so many individuals who had the audacity to speak up for themselves who merely had a different opionion than her.

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Yes, true beyond question, yet, she still has her fans and followers. I heard a comment by someone yesterday stating that Peny was a delight to know IN THE FORUM.
Well, I never had a date with her, but I did meet her, and knew her well from my four years in the forum, and "delight" is not a word that comes to mind. I don't recall one time that Peny wrote anything nice or lighthearted in that forum, even when she was making nice, it was some kind of backhanded manipulation and insult to someone. She was a foul piece of work, and it astounds me that anyone could find it within themselves to make a statement like that.

I wish to hell ONE of those true believers would come here and tell us of something positive that she ever did, beyond bribing some poor sucker with a few trinkets to get them to reveal their business sources. One story of true kindness, or one glimpse of all this happiness and joy she was claimed to have abounded in. The only stories of joyfulness I've heard about Peny had to do with the insatiable delight she took in trashing others, making up nasty names for people, insulting the gifts they gave her, etc. What beyond that did give Peny joy?

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I will close with this thought that I feel very deeply: Con: Syn will never be the same as we knew it, and perhaps that's a good thing. Maybe the real L. will step forward!

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Maybe the "real" L has stepped forward embodied in our outrage.

Katie

Hi All,
The FACT is that Lazaris' endorsement of Peny as the most powerful magician in the universe did and does serve to afford her a power which she did abuse.

The only question in my mind now is how is Jach going to function without her endorsement and protection.

I hope he finds that he cannot.

It's time for this charade to end. We have more than documented here that it has hurt more people than it has helped.

Peny and Lazaris' apologists do not provide any solution to the problem of the undisputed abuse.

They just blame it on the abused and move merrily along, providing a million mind bending rationalizations and justifications, none of which serve to help anyone or solve any problems.

So far, all I'm getting from the apologists is that everyone should just bite the bullet on the unconscionable behavior and groove on with Lazaris.

It's gotten to the point that the arguments in support of Lazaris' value dispute even Lazaris himself, so in fact they aren't even pro-Lazaris arguments.

I still hold that those of us who have left the fold understand the material far far better than those who remain true blue, so the arguments for Lazaris become arguments against the teachings and materials.

It's all a little nuts to me.

Ultimately, I could care less who believes in Lazaris and who doesn't. I just wish the arguments in his defense made some kind of sense.

Maybe I'll continue to have interest in participating when someone who actually learned the materials has something to say.

Until then, I continue to view this very unproductive and unpleasant dialogue as a successful diversion from the serious issues at hand.

Katie

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Hi Katie,

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Yes, this is pretty frustrating; seems that defending the legitimacy of "Lazaris" is the only concern of true believers.

Spirituality is an unknown reality. A solitary, unguided, maybe even unprotected journey is scary compared to having story, structure, technique, love and protection as promised to "Mapmakers" by "Lazaris." I think this is the crux of the intense denial. It's understandable. The sincere spiritual seeker finds security, with "Lazaris" in an arena where there appears to be none. Bottom line is that the very idea of life without "Lazaris" and his teachings permeating one's life, frightens people to the core. It requires a great deal of mental, emotional and spiritual house cleaning. there is a temporary void to be reckoned with, and a lot of soul searching minus the stacks of tapes.

I think its hard for many true believers to imagine that trust in the love and goodness of the universe is very much more palpable without L. At least that is my experience.

Love,
Jade