Make sure you read the forum members responses to the "spam" email listed later in a different category.

I've been wanting to tell you all about the one critic we have had so far.

A few weeks ago we got an email from a Forum Member and True Believer in which she tried to let me and Ted know how terrible we are for putting up this site.

Her evaluation of our site can be summed up in this paragraph:

"I did not read every word in every thread on your site but I read enough to feel massive jealousy, envy (except regarding Peny's personal appearance) and rage flowing out of your posts. The mocking thread devoted to the election fiasco was the last straw. Even if there is some truth to what you are putting out, I would have a hard time finding it amid all the venom and I will not visit your site again."

Ted and I both spent a lot of time writing to her, addressing her points, and asking her questions. She never responded to anything we wrote to her, but just continued to insult us and our site.

In response to a particularly detailed mail, in which we asked her to please be good enough answer our questions as we were feeling that her mails were very one way, that we were just being put down and lectured, she wrote back that she had no further interest in communicating to us. I felt very dismissed and dehumanized by the interaction, but I knew the risks when I engaged. I know that Ted and I were character assassinated in the Forum, and that would allow for some to disregard our humanity, and make some feel that they can take license with us. That is the function of character assassination, to dehumanize.
So, I know to some, we are nothing but the monster bullies we were portrayed to be in the Forum.

I had felt some concern for her, because she did speak of having been slammed in the Forum herself, and I thought that maybe she was in that "angry doubting" stage that some of us have experienced. It was ok with me if she was, and I was willing to work that through with her. I was not willing to be abused and insulted in the process.

So, I don't know what happened to that person, but I know there was a lot of anger there. I do have reason to suspect that she has not actually dismissed this message board.

I'm writing about this today because I have the feeling that the recent revelations and deep emotions that are being expressed here might cause some strong and angry actions from other "true believers" and I think we should be prepared for some hostility.

Those of us who have found value in this site, or made a commitment to it will have to learn to deal with anger and hostility without allowing our board to turn into another Forum.

People might come here to bait us, thinking that they are somehow defending Lazaris, as if Lazaris would need any defense if they are who they are claimed to be.

They might feel a sense of loyalty to the Gangsters, and come here out of some thought that they could somehow vindicate them by trying to cause unrest here.

We all have to be vigilant about this.

I know that my emotions have been running high over the past few days, I've had some "flashbacks" to the Forum days, moments where I was right back in the confusion, hurt, anger, and intense emotion of Forum Storm. A lot of tears have been shed in this house recently.

That is ok, it's good to remember, and good to release. That is one purpose I hope this board will serve. I feel safe and secure within the passion and love that abounds here. Maybe not everyone will, however, so perhaps we can be conscious and vigilant.

I am so grateful for the healing energy I experience here with every post. Let's keep that going and build on it, and let's try to keep it in mind that there are many visitors here every day who do not post. They too in a way are a part of our little community here, and like all communities, not everyone is in agreement. We may even have a terrorist or two in our midst. They only have the power we give them.

Lots of love,

Katie

[["I did not read every word in every thread on your site but I read enough to feel massive jealousy, envy (except regarding Peny's personal appearance) and rage flowing out of your posts. The mocking thread devoted to the election fiasco was the last straw. Even if there is some truth to what you are putting out, I would have a hard time finding it amid all the venom and I will not visit your site again."]]

I wonder if this person thought about whether or not the "rage" might be justified.

Probably not, then that would open a whole can of worms.

I was just writing to Raphael and mentioned that the things being discussed here, Tradevest, Penys brutal behaviour, the brutality of other CS employees, Greed, LIES are all things on the record.

Can anyone refute, disprove or deny those things?

Please do, if you can.

You cannot rationalize and justify those things, they happened. The toothpaste does NOT go back in the tube [g]

This person was clearly angry, but at what?

It sounds as if, being cultified, she is not permitted to be angry at her own abuse and so she attacks those who are refusing to accept it.

[[I had felt some concern for her, because she did speak of having been slammed in the Forum herself, and I thought that maybe she was in that "angry doubting" stage that some of us have experienced. It was ok with me if she was, and I was willing to work that through with her. I was not willing to be abused and insulted in the process.]]

I think your concern is well founded. I noticed in the forum the phenomenon of the most severely abused becoming the most ardent abusers in subsequent discussions.

Not all but two or three notable examples come to mind of people who were beaten down and learned, from their abuse, the rules of the game and the tools of the trade.

Not that these people were ever respected by the honchos who decide thumbs up or down on someone. They were merely used as props, stroked only enough to keep them good soldiers.

One, in particular comes to mind. In this person I think the created a Frankenstien as she would often mimic the gangs most extreme abusive behaviors .

She was not as good, as practiced as the upper eschlon of the Gang, she was sloppy and often slipped. Often had to be called on the carpet by them even after her conversion.

Her conversion which was eerie and sycophantic was ultimately a failure because it never won her the approval she wanted.

Thanks for your post,

I received an email form someone who isn't reall happy with our website. He gave me permission to post. He didn't explicitly provide permission to use his name, so I'll leave that to him, if he cares to respond here.

This email was addressed to "Dear Vollmer" - I guess I lost my right to be addressed by my first name or by Mister Vollmer due to the state of my ego

Here it is:

Two days ago a friend of mine informed me of your website. I must admit, I was astounded at first that a webpage such as yours would exist, but I decided to look for myself. After having read every word - and more than half of it twice - I cannot help but believe that the real damage done is by YOU and KATIE and others like you. I hope you are brave enough to read on.

You attempt to show how messed up is the Lazaris Team, Concept:Synergy, Jach, Peny, Michael, and so on, but a real HONEST-TO-GOD COLD-SHOWER LOOK would clearly reveal to anyone who has eyes to see what is really written between the lines, is that you have nothing more than a pathetic complaint about
something that you feel SHOULD be different than from what it is. And whether you can own it or not - and it appears that you certainly can't - you (both) have personality clashes to work through - if you are evolved
enough of course.

Isn't it interesting how you are doing your damnedest to try and get people to think of Lazaris as some sort of manical, cult-like false personality, and yet you ignore decades of unique, gentle, and loving information. You ignore the TRUTH about Lazaris. You look away from the TRUTH and you look away from your own CONSCIENCE, and in doing so you have abandoned to absolute ruin your INTEGRITY - or what was left of it.

My work-partner and I are in the fields Counseling and Communications and have been using Lazaris' Teachings for almost 15 years to date. So very many times we have witnessed people's lives change for the
better. Whole families have been helped as we gently introduced some of Lazaris' principles into our Family Systems Therapy. These hurting souls didn't care where the information came from - people in crisis aren't interested in that - they are only interested and reaching out for something that WORKS - AND LAZARS' CONCEPTS AND IDEAS WORK.

I truly wonder; do you ACTUALLY, FACTUALLY, and AUTHENTICALLY have the good of others in
mind when you write, set up, and maintain a website like yours???? And putting all my Counselling Skills aside momentarily, let me ask you this in a language you may be more familiar with, "Do you REALLY give a fuck about other people, do you REALLY give a damn about what could be of long-term benefit to others?"

If, for a brief 5 minutes or so, you could put aside all your BULLSHIT and find the BALLS to listen to some of Lazaris' Talks without getting caught up in the idea that Jach could be faking it - simply listening to the information and being honest with yourself about the value of it - you may discover TRUTH there. No one, notice, is telling you to make a Guru of Lazaris, Jach, or anybody else for that matter. Simply have the AUTHENTIC COURAGE to give it a listen objectively and then ask yourself this question; "Would this information help someone?" If you cannot find a YES answer to that question, then you are a Liar. I know
that the Lazaris Information has saved lives, careers, family relationships, and marriages/partnerships. I, and others in my field, have seen this occur first hand - what do you say about that? Will you tell others that? I doubt it.

My feeling is that you need to do some serious self-analysis before you are grown-up enough to forget about people's personalities and discover the beauty in what they teach. I short, who gives a shit if Jach is the biggest fake/hoax on the planet if what is coming from him is helping multitudes - and you can be sure that IT IS. Additionally, who gives a shit if Jach - or anyone else associated with Concept:Synergy - behaves as a big fat hypocrite if what comes from him/them saves Love, Relationships, and Lives - and it has. Again, I've seen it. How can you NOT see the good??!! What is it that you look for and try to find? Are you into
gutter-journalistic tactics like many others of you apparent ilk?

Have you ever thought that the information coming from Lazaris - or Jach - who cares? - is among the most succint and psychologically sound of our day? - perhaps in history? What have you read or studied that was more enlightened? I bet you can't find anything! Even all the "holy" books don't have the theme of Unconditional Love and Acceptance as Lazaris teaches!! And if you really wanted to look at it, Lazaris is more kind and patient than all the gods combined. How peculiar that a "fake" as you put it, has the ability to show the gods how to do their job more elegantly. Are we to assume that Jach, a mortal, has got cutting-edge information that he somehow invented or concocted in his spare time (if he has any) which puts the gods at shame. How come God, Jesus, Buddha, Mohammed, Krishna, Zoroaster, Baha'u'llah, Moses, Sai Baba, Babaji, add infinitum, didn't come up with the goods like Lazaris/Jach has? What answers do you have for this that are HONEST?

In the Law Courts, you would be found as the Fraud, not Jach. You and Katie would be deemed as perjurors - you know - Liars. And whether you want to own it or not, you are both lying about your motives. Notice I
DID NOT SAY that you were lying about your experiences with certain individuals. You may indeed had your PERSONALITY DEFFERENCES as do we all from time to time. But you ARE LYING about how you see the Lazaris Information. Again, WHO GIVES A DAMN WHERE THE INFORMATION COMES FROM IF IT HELPS PEOPLE LIVE HAPPIER LIVES???!!!!

Do you eat? Do you wonder what the Farmer is like who produced the food which nourishes you? Of course you don't! So what's that REAL DIFFERENCE with Jach?? Who gives a shit how he conducts his life if what he produces nourishes people - and you and I BOTH KNOW that it does. Did you get that? YOU
KNOW IT HELPS PEOPLE - YOU KNOW!!!

My suggestion to you would be to listen to a Tape-Set by Lazaris called "THE POWER OF DOMINION", you will absolutely benefit if you simply listen to the INFORMATION - forget about who is delivering it - IT DOESN'T MATTER!! Do you stop to check out the Mail-Man before you read your mail?? Of course you don't, but why don't you!!?? Because it doesn't mattter who is delivering the mail - what's important is that you read the mail/message. You don't think like this do you; "I don't like the Mail-Man, he's a Fake, so I'm not gonna read the mail" (?) Even you ought to find that humorous - but that appears to be the mentality you and Katie have around the Lazaris Material. YOU MAY NEED TO DISCOVER WHAT REALLY MATTERS - HELP OR HINDRANCE - AND NOTICE WHICH OF THOSE 2 CATAGORIES YOU FACTUALLY HAVE PLACED YOURSELF INTO.

One day Jach will no longer be with us. What will he be remembered for? One day Lazaris will not be with us. What will he be remembered for? One day you and Katie will no longer be with us. What will you two
be remembered for? Maybe it's time to let go of your grievances and promote UNCONDITIONAL LOVE - and why don't you see if you can do it better than Lazaris. It's easy to put shit on someone, but can you do it, or do it better?

If you could come up with some Therapeutic Information that would help people heal so many of their psychological scars, I'd be more than happy to use it and distribute it among my collegues and give you full
credit. My E-mail is: crimson_feather@hotmail.com

In closing, for what little it may be worth to you, my partner and I think that the name of your webpage is very revealing about your current psychological environment, i.e., Cosmic Fools - and I would add that if you
continue in your denials (obvious to anyone who has worked in Behavioural Therapies), you will be able to add your own Cowardice to the title e.g., COSMIC COWARDLY FOOLS.

Feel free to add this to your website notice board - that'll test your Integrity.
Feel free to respond to me too - I'd look forward to it!!
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BTW, this guy's got a whole string of initials behind his name (Dip. Coun., Dip. Alt. Ther., M.A.C.A.), so he must know what he's talking about.

Cheers, Ted

Before you get the urge to send off an email to me and/or Ted, please consider the following.

We are already quite well aware that there are many who believe in Lazaris.

We have given great consideration to the thought that Concept/Synergy is not Lazaris, and we are quite well aware that those running the organization are human.

This site was created to provide an opportunity to openly dialogue for the benefit of all who have interest in participating either by posting or privately reading along.

Those who have responded by posting have for the most part put a lot of time and energy into it and have shown a tremendous amount of respect, generosity, and courage in doing so, not just for each other, but for everyone who comes here to read.

Unless you have something of significance to say to me and Ted privately, or if you just wish to introduce yourself prior to posting here it seems rather dismissive and rude to write only to us via private email rather than here on the board where everyone can be aware of your thoughts and reactions to what is being discussed here.

It is particularly futile, and I might suggest even childish to write hit and run emails in which Ted and I are being told what we should be giving consideration to, especially when the suggested topic is one which has been thoroughly discussed here already, as we have already demonstrated that we have and continue to consider these issues.

Please respond here out of consideration for everyone who has shared their thoughts and feelings here with you, if you have your own thoughts and feelings to share.

If you don't have the courage to write here, then maybe you should give some thought to why that is, and why you might think that Ted and I are appropriate targets for your angst.

We have received many heartfelt emails from sincere people many of whom did not express agreement with me and Ted. That is fine, and I don't wish to discourage anyone from writing who is moved to share something privately with us.

To date, Ted and I have responded to everyone who has written to us. As of now, I'm stating here that I'm not planning on responding to anyone who has nothing more to tell me than how much they love Lazaris, or to provide a little lecture. We aren't lecturing you, we did not twist your arm and force you to read here. You are free to believe as you wish, and I think it's a shame that you don't recognize that freedom for others, or that you see free thought as some kind of a punishable offense.

The following mail is representative of what I am addressing here:

quote:

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Hello Katie,

I just would like to say that I read all of your writings in the
"Lazaris, friend or fraud"
My personal experience with Metaphysics started long before I started
studying Lazaris' teachings in 83, prior to that I studied (and still
do) Seth, Edgar Cayce, Ruth Montgomery, Bartholomew, Arthur Ford and a
few other channeled entities....after a while of studying I believe I've
learned to discern who is and who is not a fraud....I just would like to
tell you that I truly believe that Lazaris is not a fraud....On the
other hand I think that J.C.Knigt's Ramtha is.
Anyway I think that just because you encountered some adversities in the
forum, it's very sad if you dismiss Lazaris completely.
Please feel free to reply if you want and if you don't, I'll understand.

Much Love
(name removed)

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My response:

quote:

---

If you read our entire site you will know that the primary issue is not
> > > whether or not Jach is a fake, or whether we or others encountered some
> > > adversities in the Forum. The main issue is whether or not
> Concept/Synergy
> > > functions within the established model of a destructive mind control
> group.
> > >
> > > I note that you did not address that issue.
> > >
> > > Since there are established definitions for destructive groups, and
> > > identifiable mind control techniques, it does not require speculation to
> > > arrive at the answer to this question, but it does require discernment.

To date, no supporter of C/S, or believer in Lazaris has written and addressed
those issues. Maybe you would like to be the first.

I sincerely hope that you will continue to read on our site and give some close attention to the discussions on mind control and manipulation.

I realize that for someone like you who is a firm believer some of our venting might feel abrasive. I hope you can look beyond our anger and recognize the sense of elation
many of us have in becoming free of a belief system which we now know has
been spiritually and emotionally devastating.

I also wonder if you support the behaviors that are being discussed on
our message board on the part of C/S, or if you feel any sense of personal
responsibility toward those who have and are being directly abused by
Peny et. al. through your continued support of her organization.

Anyway, if you have interest in what is being discussed on our board, it
would be better for you to post it there rather than communicate to me
or Ted privately since we'd prefer to spend what time we have on the
message board rather than in private communications. Ted and I are only two people, a lot of people read and post on the message board, and many of them are
believers in Lazaris, so I'm sure your thoughts are of interest to all, and
I would personally be grateful to see you share them with us all.

Information is power, and that is what we are all seeking, so any information you care to share about your process of discernment, I'm sure will be received with great interest and gratitude.

Thanks for writing.

All the best,

Katie

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Response:

quote:

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> Hello Katie,
> >

Thank you for writing. Please take the following in to consideration.
> > Any teacher that empowers the student is good....That is the differece.
> When a
> > "teacher" tries and uses tactics (ususaly fear) to have control over his
> > studens, such as Jim Jones.
> > Also please remember that C/S and the forum is run by humans that are no
> > perfect...All humas are spiritual councsiousness that are going to
> school..We
> > are learning, one of the big lessons is not to be judgemental, but instead
> > evaluate. Granted, Lazaris is not for everybody, but I, and a lot of my
> friends
> > live in eternal gratidude to Lazaris and Concept Synergy...
> >
Much Love always
(name removed)

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My response:

quote:

---

> I guess I don't understand why you are concerned with what I believe or why
> you would want to try to convince me of anything.
>
> The Cosmic Fool message board is there for you if you are interested in
> debating this topic. All opinions are encouraged and welcomed.
>
> I'm really not interested in receiving private lectures. I hope that is
> not your intention, but it does feel that way. I'm sure you would agree
> that it is condescending and inappropriate to just write and run, but that
> seems to be happening more and more from Friends of Lazaris. I simply don't
> understand the intent behind that, and it is most dehumanizing. It
> certainly doesn't encourage me one bit to change my perspective, it only
> serves to support it.
>
> Why are you writing to me and not on the message board?
>
> All the best,
>
> Katie

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Response:

quote:

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Dear Katie,

I did take a look at your message board and it struck me more to be a
springboard for critisism, sinism and sarcasm...and you get that in any ordinary
chat room...But thanks for your offer anyway.
And I can take a hint, so please rest assured that I will no e-mail you anymore.
But just remember that Lazaris is a very good teacher that does empower its
students and the reason I decided to express my feelings to you, is because I
think it is very sad for anyone to cut them selves off from such wonderful
insights...
And one more thing dear Katie, if you reply this e-mail, it's very possible that
I will reply it back to you....
So now I say good bye to you

.....With Love and Peace
(name removed)

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So, if this is what you have in mind when writing to me and Ted, please don't bother, and if you do, we'll be more than happy to post it here, but you won't get any personal response from me, so you might want to save the step and just post here on your own to begin with.

Thank you for your consideration.

Katie

We're starting to get a lot of e-mail again from people who don't choose to post publicly. The usual drift is, "thanks for the site, it's a great thing, yes, Jach and Peny's behavior sucks, the Forum sucks, but don't throw the baby out with the bathwater, the Lazaris materials are awesome, although in recent years they have gotten kind of lame. That's probably because Jach isn't really the full trance channel he says he is. I can't afford any tapes or seminars anymore, but I'm eternally grateful for all the successes I've had with the materials. I hope you're not bitter."

It's truly astounding how the content of these mails is so identical.

Anyway, I don't mind getting e-mail, and up until now I've made it a practice to respond to all mail that I received, even if it takes me awhile to get to it. But, as of now, I'm not feeling any inclination to try to do that any longer. Not this type of mail anyway, this perspective has been responded to way too many times already here on this Forum.

It just gets tedious to respond to this thinking IMO.

For the record, it's hard for me to take any endorsement of the Lazaris materials that comes along with a statement of financial hardship. This is like saying that you love that new hair dye even though it didn't cover the grey and turned the rest of your hair neon orange. But, don't forget how nice it smells, and how soft and silky it left that Halloween hair. (a private joke that Ted will get)

Anyway, please don't bother telling me how well the materials work, or how great the materials are unless you have a verifiable story about the kind of exceptional success that Lazaris promises we will achieve through the use of the techniques. I mean EXCEPTIONAL. If you can't afford tapes or seminars, I would suggest that the materials have not worked AS PROMISED.

There is no question that the materials serve to make people feel very very hopeful and good, until they fail to work that is, but then there is always another feel good hopeful tape, seminar, and body of techniques to help you overcome the blockage you had that caused the previous techniques to fail. There is some shaming in that, but then we have the Neverending Shame series which will provide hope and upliftment on that score, so the bases are always covered, unless the moment arrives where you say "Fuck it, I want my goddamned successes" at which time you might feel more inclined to start posting publicly.

We have discussed the "baby with the bathwater" theory here also. For the record, it is my opinon that there never was any baby. Maybe a plastic doll with sharp little teeth, but no baby at all.

There are few people who involve themselves with cults who will not state upon coming out that in the beginning they benefitted from the teachings of the group. All cults provide some fundamental truths and inspirations which are helpful, especially to people who are often at a low point or in a crisis. This is called the hook.

Cult leaders are very skilled at making people feel very good, and very loved. This is called Love Bombing, it is a well-known cult tactic. Love is a powerful tool, but there is a big difference between constantly assuring someone that they are loved, and delivering the goods. It's amazing how much abuse, deception, and neglect a person will tolerate just to keep hearing those three little words. It's a testament to their power. Take out the Love Bombing and see what is left is my advice, because neither Jach or Lazaris will be there for you if you need a quiet chat, or a cup of tea and sympathy in a moment of fear, loneliness, or sadness. Words will be there, but no ability to interact in a truly meaningful way, as there would be with a flesh and bones loved one.

As to me or Ted being bitter, that's really our own judgement to make, isn't it?

Because we put up a message board and website does not mean that we are making claims about our state of consciousness in doing so, and private motivations and state of being remains that, private. This is not a spiritual enlightenment group, the posts here speak for themselves. Take what you like, throw the rest away, and please don't concern yourselves with the state of anyone's soul or emotions. Those are irrelevant here.

Another often expressed sentiment in these mails is "I can feel your pain, and the intense pain others who post on your site, but I'm happy to report that I have no pain, and therefore will happily continue to believe in Lazaris and have compassion for Jach's great loss."

Interesting use of compassion I'd say.

I really don't know that the overwhelming emotion expressed here is pain. We have all described the pain and confusion we've gone through in the early moments of recognizing that we have been betrayed by someone we trusted implicitly. That's a good pain though, because it is temporary, and productive. It allows for us to be honest with ourselves for the first time in years, and move beyond a negative influence.

It hurts to give birth to a child too, or to workout in the gym, study for a tough exam, but people gladly and willingly go through those kinds of pain in the interest of growth and self-improvement. When you visit someone who has just had a baby, do you tell them how sorry you are for their pain? No, you celebrate with them.

It's occuring to me that those who hang up on the idea that this site is about pain are themselves reacting to their fear of experiencing a similar pain, and therefore finding justification and rationalization to protect them from the hurt.

I really have a great disdain for people who say "I see that others are hurt, but I'm not hurt, so it doesn't matter." There is something incredibly arrogant, irresponsible, and uncompassionate in such a statement, IMO.

The common disclaimer is "I have no interest in posting on a public message board" or "I have no desire to debate this".

My suspicion is that is because you don't want to be challenged to think. You are content to feel. Fine. I am not. I must tell you that there is a certain bad feeling that comes with having someone write me a lecture, give me advice, feed me a line, and then slam the door on future discussion. Why would you think I would be interested in taking the time to read and think about your mail only to be told "no response please"?

Ok, so now I've responded to this standard e-mail format. If you want to write and tell me all this stuff again, I'll point you to this thread.

Hope to hear from you publicly from now on.

For the record, I am in no way asking that people not write to me. Please just don't send me anymore mails of this thinking, especially with the "no reply" message at the end. I find them to be on the rude and irresponsible side.

For those who write me thoughtful and sincere e-mail and have some reason for not posting, that is fine with me. I enjoy those mails, and enjoy meeting people and sharing thoughts. I even enjoy thoughtful mail from Lazaris/Con:Sin supporters on occassion.

I will always though, encourage people to post here publicly rather than communicate with me or anyone else exclusively, simply because I'm not aware at this moment of any individual who has all the answers, or the ability to be all things to all people, although there are without a doubt a few who will make that claim. I would suggest that you avoid anyone like that like the plague, as well as anyone who claims to offer you Love and/or Peace.

If we have learned nothing else here, it's clear that offers of love made to complete strangers are hollow, shallow, deceptive and manipulative.

Love yourself and then you won't be a target for the deceivers and irresponsible of the world. If someone offers you Love ask yourself if you think they'd be there for you if you needed someone to clean up after you when you get sick.

Katie