I don't have time to go thru all of the old posts so forgive me if this is a repeat.

I was listening to the lazaris tape:
Healing: The Nature of Health I (#401) and lazaris was talking about diet. He said to find what's right for us - make it balanced and that our physical body would let us know if we were doing it right. He also suggested we speak to our counselors. (Why didn't Peny?)

He said when we got the whispers we should pay attention to them and handle them quickly so we don't have to move into an illness BUT if we do move into illness to do whatever we needed to do even if that means going to an allopathic doctor.
if that is what we wanted and then he added that maybe not. He made it very clear that it was acceptable to go to the Dr.

If Peny had listened to and worked this material she wouldn't have been morbidly obese and all the complications that arose out of that illness. I wonder why she didn't decide to see an allopathic doctor. Did anyone of them even remember what was said on the tapes?

I wonder how Jach/CS rationalized the contradictions about the lazaris material and Peny or were most people afraid to bring up the subject?

I am listening to the tapes (uggghhhh)and will be more than happy to post the contradictions in here.

Just the facts, not my conclusions.

Sincerely,

Mickey

Thanks for posting the contradictions.

You said: Just the facts, not my conclusions.

I hope you feel free to make conclusions and offer opinions despite your experience with one poster (who for now I will give the benefit of the doubt that he was responding in haste). I encourage everyone to state facts and present their own conclusions. Your conclusions are allowed to be wrong. If people feel the conclusions are wrong, they are free to state their own conclusions. This forum is a place where people should feel free to debate.

I hope you continue to post the contradictions you find in the material.

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I hope you feel free to make conclusions and offer opinions despite your experience with one poster (who for now I will give the benefit of the doubt that he was responding in haste). I encourage everyone to state facts and present their own conclusions. Your conclusions are allowed to be wrong. If people feel the conclusions are wrong, they are free to state their own conclusions. This forum is a place where people should feel free to debate

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Thanks for what you wrote. I appreciate it.

I will continue to post the contradictions as I find them, (and find them I will).

Sincerely,

While doing some research on the video, "The Future and How to Create IT" I took some notes on longevity. Sounded pretty interesting after finding out about peny's death.

lazaris said that longevity was the ability to live a healthy and long life, to be vibrant and alive, not a vegetable that is wheeled around....(too bad his intuition wasn't working when he used this awful term)

He also said he was working with doctors and scientists behind the scenes with the health problems we were facing so that we could move into the realm of longevity. Of course he said he could not tell us their names.

He said we would have dominion over aging and would learn to speak with the cells to work with them and keep them healthy and bring them into a place of harmony and balance.

lazaris said we could live to be 120 yrs. old and then when we chose to leave the body we would leave it by conscious choice.

If only all of this had been true.....

Sincerely,

Mickey

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...He (lazaris) also said he was working with doctors and scientists behind the scenes with the health problems we were facing so that we could move into the realm of longevity. Of course he said he could not tell us their names.

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I wish he would, so I know not to go to them

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...lazaris said we could live to be 120 yrs. old and then when we chose to leave the body we would leave it by conscious choice...If only all of this had been true.....

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Well, I think it is true. The fact that Peny missed the boat doesn't mean that the rest of us will. (Real good reason not to elevate her - if we do, we can't believe that we can surpass her)

See my discourse on life-span at http://www.cosmicfool.com/discussion/ubb/Forum5/HTML/000002.html in the Health and Longevity section.

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Well, I think it is true. The fact that Peny missed the boat doesn't mean that the rest of us will. (Real good reason not to elevate her - if we do, we can't believe that we can surpass her)

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You're right about this. I still believe thought creates reality if nothing more than it's proved by scientists in a double blind.

What I had wished were true was what laz said about helping us. I wasn't very clear in my post. Sorry about that.

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What I had wished were true was what laz said about helping us.

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The Truth is better than the lie - we don't need Lazaris' help. Also there is much help available - it just doesn't call itself "Lazaris", doesn't speak through Jach and doesn't prop Peny up as a spiritual idol.

Looks like I need to unprogram a lot of stuff and my way of thinking.

Sincerely,

Mickey

I have been thinking about the "Longevity" tape, promoted as a cure all for whatever, as well as for extending one's lifespan. I think J/L used the concept of coloidal silver to create this meditation.

I used to make a point of doing it on a regular basis, but I always played the volume really low because J/L's voice seemed too close and intimate, and gave me the creeps. I imagine others depended on that tape and the "silver mist" to promote physical, mental, emotional and spiritual health. And to eliminate those threatening "boiling pots," along with a the litany of many other great benefits. Poor Peny must have been slack in making use of it. Maybe it wasn't up to her stellar level.

I also recall a tape where J/L sounds like he's about to bust his gut with "feeeal the hurt, feeeeahl it, feeeeeeeeeahl it." So much drama while nonchalantly poking into the depths of people's emotions. Disgusting.

Then there was the tape directing the listener to create a crisis. Glad I had the good sense to put it aside after listening to the first part.

I was involved with the material for 14 years too. I figure it may take 14 months before I am really done with my own deprogramming. But at the same time, I am making more strides with my personal growth than I have for years.

Jade

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I hope you'll remember that this deprogramming goes on for awhile and requires patience with oneself. Eleven months later, I still find myself plucking L stuff out of my psyche. Less than during the initial period after realizing the scam, but I'm not quite done yet.

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Thanks for your post. I realize that it will take awhile to 'edit and delete' all this laz material.

I bought into all that love crap from laz/jach. I put a lot of emotional feeling into feeling the love from laz and a lot of feeling into the love I gave in return.
I do know the love was real although misdirected. The love is there from the universe and I am in pursuit of the real source that doesn't charge money for it or withold the material because I did something they didn't agree with.

You're way ahead of the game if listening to that Lazaris tape gave you the creeps. LOL

Sincerely,