Just a quick thought. Ted was just reading in the paper about Katie Couric's sisters death. What crossed through my mind is that you don't seem to have anyone screaming and jumping up and down about Katie's right to privacy on this issue. It is routine for deaths to be discussed, even for the cause of them to become topics of discussion for educational or informational reasons. I guess that's how death is handled among people who don't find it to be a shameful event.

What is with these Lazaris sychophants, those who gleefully indulge their voyeristic tendencies by watching shows like Big Brother, yet somehow think it's appropriate and honorable for Jach to attempt to keep the details of Peny's illness and death a "privileged" secret?

Why is it all so difficult for some people to get it that they are being completely controlled and manipulated, even to the extent that they are denying themselves the right to be human in wondering and caring about the death of someone who was important and significant in their lives.

I don't think that even in my most mind numbed moments I would have tolerated that. If other events didn't do it for me, I'm sure the secrecy surrounding Peny and Michaell's death would have.

Jach and Lazaris commetaries on the event lead any thinking person to believe that Peny died a peaceful and elegant death by her own choice, in her own time. Beyond all the questions even a choice like that raise, like "how come she didn't bother to say goodbye, or leave a parting statement?" is the fact that she died a truly frightening and ugly death. That is significant by any rational standard.

It is also even more significant that there actually are at least a handful of people who are doing whatever people have to do to themselves to ignore, deny, justify and rationalize that away. Given that I believe all of those mindsets to be the fundamental cause of Peny's grotesque demise, I wonder if the thought might occur that this ain't a healthy way to approach life?

You said: What is with these Lazaris sychophants, those who gleefully indulge their voyeristic tendencies by watching shows like Big Brother, yet somehow think it's appropriate and honorable for Jach to attempt to keep the details of Peny's illness and death a "privileged" secret?

In the Healing the Broken Alliances tape, Lazaris talks about the need to respect their privacy, but then goes into a whole bunch of details about their "process". Also, if Lazaris were so concerned about respecting privacy, why did he clearly fail to do this during many seminars when he revealed embarrassing details of certain people's process. We have heard from people that such revelations were neither appreciated or requested, but were indeed humiliating.

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Also, if Lazaris were so concerned about respecting privacy, why did he clearly fail to do this during many seminars when he revealed embarrassing details of certain people's process.

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Privacy!!! How about our private personal stuff that we revealed to Jachass in consultations. Not only was the untrustworthy J/L conducting these sessions, apparently Peny was listening in. Or during "magic time" -- who would have publically exposed their inner most concerns if not for the opportunity to get some insight from the falsely represented Bizzarus? Nauseating

Even those little consultation questionaire forms solicited private information.

The Treacherous Triad's sense of privacy was limited to themselves. Every one else's is open for plunder. Other people's personal boundaries were toys to these people.

I have zero qualms about Jach's privacy, he has no respect for anyone else's.

Jade

You said: Even those little consultation questionaire forms solicited private information

Does anyone have the questions that were asked? My guess is that the info that is given can be used to prime the pump of psychic functioning. While cold readings can be effective enough, they can be transformed into powerful readings with a little bit of insight as would be provided by the questionnaire.

I had filled out several requests over the years for a personal reading and I remember some of the questions.

One was, "What Lazaris tapes are you currently working with?".

They also asked, "What do you want to talk to Lazaris about?"

Obviously this would give enough information to do a reading with a high percentage of accuracy.

After receiving last weeks e-mail from "Concerned Friend" I have been reading in here. It's a shame to belong to what I thought was a loving, Spiritual Community and find out I was 100% wrong. Although I never felt to free to post after seeing what happened to those that "offended" (even though they didn't intend to offend) some of the forum members. I was always too intimidated to say much and that never felt right to me.

I don't like being lied to by Jach ("Peny is fine. She's working on other projects") and from Lazaris on the "Healing the Broken Alliance" tape. Interesting the title, when I feel "he" broke an alliance when we were told, "We always tell you the truth. We have a penchant for always telling the truth."

I also don't like it that after we were told the truth by a "Concerned Friend" Jach posted that spam email refusing to discuss it and expected us to just sweep it all under the rug and act as if nothing ever happened. How can he even respect (as if he ever did?) anyone who would just go along with this charade? We are presented with the truth about Peny's and Michaell's deaths and there are discrepancies in Jach's posts about Peny and Michaell saying their "good-byes" and then that Peny died quietly in her sleep.
THEN the Lazaris lie that she wasn't suffering from any disease and left in her sleep and Jach doesn't want to discuss it in the Forum?????

I spent the last 13 years of my life LIVING the Lazaris material and loving Lazaris, never doubting the love and now after the lies and cover-up I feel grief.

I am not sorry though. I found my Higher Self and I am a different person with a better reality than I would have had. I will find my way "Home" but now I will take a different path than the one I was on.

I wish to Thank " Concerned Friend" for sending the email. In the forum they called you a coward. I don't feel that way at all. I think it took some courage and I would rather know the truth, no matter how much it hurts at the time than be lied to and told, " it won't be discussed".

Sincerely,

Mickey

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"...I would rather know the truth, no matter how much it hurts at the time than be lied to and told, " it won't be discussed"."

I'm with you on that one!

I too relied on fact that Lazaris was telling us the truth. He was such a large part of my life for so many years. I feel for you! The whole process of uncovering the lies has been painful but so freeing.

Welcome and thanks for posting.

Welcome!

You know, it's funny about those private consultation forms, for years I scratched my head trying to figure out exactly what words they wanted to hear, and what the purpose of them was anyway, given that my assumption always was that Lazaris was working with us and knew all about our state of consciousness. Even in the midst of all these revelations it didn't occur to me that they were just fishing expeditions to get enough info for Jach to provide some "dazzle" .

I suspect that "Coward" did a lot of soul searching before sending that out, I understand the thinking that went into making that decision, and cowardly would not be the first descriptor that comes to mind, if it would come to mind at all.

If there is anything cowardly going on here, it is Jach's refusal to discuss this information. That is pure COWARD by every definition of the word.

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I spent the last 13 years of my life LIVING the Lazaris material and loving Lazaris, never doubting the love and now after the lies and cover-up I feel grief.

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I'm sorry for that, I know that it's a hard pill to swallow. All I can tell you is that
once the grief lifts, there is an incredible lightness and sense of relief.

As I think you've already discovered, this isn't about losing anything good, it's about gaining freedom and a direct relationship with Divine that isn't dependent on any wealthy ex-insurance salesman with bad taste in wives to deliver the message.

Thanks for writing, it's nice to meet you.

Katie

Welcome and thanks for providing the consultation questions. I agree with how powerful these questions would be for providing "hints" to Jach/Lazaris.

I wish you well in the process you have started to undertake. Each person obviously will require differing amounts of time to get through what was dropped on them. I feel it is important to persevere in this undertaking given the impact this material has had in most of our minds and souls.