Probably because that fucker figured out that it's bad for business. You'd think the prick would have known that from the beginning, given how in tune he is with all of us assholes.

Earlier in this thread you talked about the early years of Lazaris.

I have heard from someone on another board about Lazaris in 79:

[[[ I have a friend who went to seminar at Jach' house in 1979. She said you had to be interviewed by lazaris to get to attend. They were week long seminars. ]]]

IMO, this is yet another contradiction. Why would Lazaris need to interview someone? Doesn't he make claims to know us already? Isn't he allegedly psychic? I know he has no problem in the intensives blathering on about people's past lives.

This just doesn't add up.

Cheers, Craig

I am far from versed on the history of "Lazaris" but my conversations with some of the early followers (post 1979) and other information paints a clear picture of a group floundering around looking for the magic marketing strategy. It was one of the first inconsistancies I noticed.

If Lazaris is who "they" claim to be, I'm quite sure that "they" would know right upfront the best way to get their message out. Also, I recall hearing in my early days that Lazaris consulted with Jach and Peny and guided the organization. Maybe it was that phony little fucker Andrew William who told me that when he was busily overselling his unmarketable products to me.

Speaking of Andrew, I keep forgetting to post this question here.

When Andrew used to call me back in the mid 80's he always had a very strong accent, very similar to that of the Orb.

I've asked a few people about that, and no one else remembers an accent. Does anyone have any recollection of that little toe rag speaking with an accent?

I'm at the point of thinking that he assumed the accent as some kind of marketing strategy, or that he just got off playing "Lazaris" with me. He really did work my emotions and capitalize on my awakening feelings of love and trust in Jachzaris.

I have a special little gift for Andrew, and I hope someday to have the opportunity to deliver it personally.

You said: I am far from versed on the history of "Lazaris" but my conversations with some of the early followers (post 1979) and other information paints a clear picture of a group floundering around looking for the magic marketing strategy. It was one of the first inconsistancies I noticed.

We also know they were desperate for $$$ in the early days. Seems an all knowing Orb, partnered with Jach's shrewdness and Peny's supreme spirituality, would be a hit from day one and wouldn't have to go hunting around for people like Hutch and Michaell to bankroll CS.

Lets also face it. If the early pearls coming out of Jach's mouth were of high quality, a decent following would have developed VERY quickly through word of mouth.

Who is this Andrew William that you are talking about and when did he leave the scene?

Cheers, Craig

I have a quick minute so I thought I would throw this out here:

In one of these threads in here recently (this morning?) I read that there are researchers at CS and that would explain how they can achieve the amazing omnipotence of Lazaris.

Could that be the reason why Penny just couldn't afford to stop prostrating herself to that particular crystal queen, the one who was allowed free reign in the Forum? He spent a lot of time, so he says, in Tibetan monasteries and was apparently very well versed, if not full of utter shit, but talked a fair game, about crystals.

Given that soon after he showed up and since we know he was never fully let go, the crystal biz got strong both in the seminars and the selling. I know Lazaris referred to crystals very early on, but crystal magic came on with a vengeance just prior to La Reine's appearance, wihch makes me wonder if he just found the site out of curiousty because of the crystal hits. Whatever, but he actually could talk about the Tibetans first hand, apparently, so I wonder if knowingly or unknowingly he was part of the inspiration for the Atlantis/Tibetan connection.

Not to mention, by the way that there is a very exhaustive book available at Borders which gives some startlingly similar info about Atlantis as does lazaris. I can't remember the name of it, though.

Just curious. And a PS to CS: if this is making you guys so uptight, you might want to at least address some people's concerns.

Now you're talking some shit!

From what I can gather, there isn't much Lazaris material that can't be directly traced back to some books, courses, or research somone in that group was versed in.
So, hell yeah, this is a valid thought, the possibility that Ms. Thing influenced Penny to influence Jach to paste up another L seminar.

Anyone with a nose for marketing can pick up on the "rhythms and patterns" of the Orb shows. When something sells, first and foremost, or almost as good something provides Jach the opportunity to wax etheric ad tedium on romantic crap that can't be verified on any level, but is gaaarraanteed to appeal to the emotions, that multi-dimensional being says "Shaazaam!" This is another discussion unto itself.

This whole topic of Penny's relationship to the Crystal Queen is just as explosive as the Police reports, IMO.

A lot of people come here defending Lazaris while feeling fine and dandy about trashing
the Con:Sinners. But how can anyone forget that if Jach is the clear channel he claims to be, that Lazaris, out of his love, committment, and honesty would speak to the problems? I have heard a number of stories of people asking about their painful, disturbing, and confusing interactions with Peny. There is no record that he ever responded except in a recent testimony somewhere that Lazaris actually advised someone in a personal reading to ignore Con:Sin. In either event, this is crazy making bullshit, a clear indication to me that Jach and Lazaris are one and the same.

The fact that Peny lied about the nature of her relationship to the Screaching Banshee Queen, that she literally demanded that everyone in the Forum admit to a co-dependency with him, that she wrote to me privately about him. (time to publish that tome), that she stated that he had manipulated and controlled her, that she absolutely stated in no uncertain terms that she was finished with him for good and ever, that she manipulated and dominated everyone in the Forum on this issue, and that she renewed her relationship with him in very short order, that he remained an intimate member of the inner sanctum right up until her death, AND that Lazaris never spoke to any of this. Well, fuck us all, that's all I can say, and fuck anyone who can justify, rationalize or deny these facts.

Well, you got me going! It's great to have the opportunity to discuss this with someone who witnessed the whole scene.

Andrew NEVER spoke with a natural accent to me.

I caught him -- quite a few times on the fly with a question -- and NADA: as white bread American as you please.

Last time I saw the guy he had a HUGE line of patrons held up at a local healthfood store -- demanding that a *special* charge account be set up for Con:Scam -- right there and then.

Absolutely BLIND to the long line of people he was holding up behind the register.

Steve

Another thought about the Crystal Queen...is it possible he got consulting fees? That is if he was aware that they were ripping off his experiences, and if this theory is even true.

However, Lazaris loves synchronicities, and I had a conversation with someone yesterday who out of the blue told me that a friend who had been a Tibetan Buddhist monk had shared that what they are taught in the monasteries is that they are descendants of the Siriuns who came and gave bits of themselves to create the human race as it currently is.

I suppose this is no big whoop, since Shirley MacLaine and others have written this kind of stuff, too.

But, it is worth looking at if anyone reading along thinks that all the woo woo stuff originated with Lazaris. It seems more and more can be traced to other sources.

Pippa

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It seems more and more can be traced to other sources.

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Starting with the Dogon tribe in west Africa, whose whole culture is based around having originated in Sirius. And who knew about Sirius B long before telescopes were invented. There is also a lot of information about Egypt and Sirius.

Jade