Some of you already know this, I was planning to hold back on providing this information until the official documents were in my hand, but other considerations have decided me to put it out in advance of that.

The Orange County Special Investigations Unit and the Coroners office have completed their reports on the deaths of Peny and Michaell. The reports have not yet been added to the public record, but it is only due to the delays of bureaucracy, not because they are secret. Once the processing is complete they will be a part of the public record and accessible to any interested parties minus any information that the State of Florida deems to be not for public consumption, I'm under the understanding that might be specific details of interviews with concerned individuals, I'm not sure, nor are the police exactly what aspects of the investigation might not be publicly available. There is no question that the cause of death is.

Copies of both reports can be ordered through the two departments at a cost of .15 per page. The police reports are 8 pages each, and I don't know the length of the Medical Examiner's (coroner) report. Michaell's reports are currently available, Peny's are still being processed, and probably won't be accessible in writing for another few weeks.

The police report contains the specifics of the investigation, and the coroners report includes the specifics of Peny's condition at the time of death.

It seems that everyone was operating under the assumption that Peny had died of congestive heart failure. This is why Jach was evidently so confident in providing the information he did, via Lazaris, that Peny's heart "just stopped".

It came as a shock to the police, and might come as a shock to Jach as well that Peny's official cause of death is "accidental drug overdose". Peny, it seems was suffering from quite a few disorders, one of the worst being a disabling skin disorder on her legs which was so painful that at one point the mapmaker magicians were treating her with carbon dioxide gas spray to try to alleviate the pain.

No doctor was called in to treat Peny, so Con:Sin was resorting to buying medications from alternative sources.

The drugs that Peny OD'd on were tylenol with codeine and aspirin. She had to be taking massively huge doses of those to actually cause her death.

From what I understand, the coroners report will include a detailed list of any other diseases and the condition of her organs at the time of her death. I am not clear whether or not she actually was suffering from congestive heart failure or not, but it was told to me that she had a host of medical conditions, and that she was quite ill for at least 6 months, something we've already known.

So, essentially, Peny died of pain. Some charming and powerful way to go for the worlds most powerful magician wouldn't you say?

I'm curious what others have to say about this in light of the recent Lazaris message on the cause of Peny's death.

Oh, I forgot to mention, evidently Jach is not aware of the results of this report. As of a few hours ago he had not requested a copy. Probably because he wasn't expecting that they would find anything other than heart failure, and it was upon that evident assumption that he felt bold enough to issue the pretty Lazaris version of the story.

Nice bag of lies.

I have the contact information and case numbers should anyone want to pursue this further.

My GOD! How shallow, expedient, and stupid -- and completely FUBAR now.. .

Why did I just flash on that huge swastika exploding in Berlin c. 1945?

Steve

In case anyone missed it, here is Craig's post regarding the taped Lazaris information about Peny's death.

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Hi All,
I finally received the first tape after the P&M deaths. I thought I would finally cancel my tape subscription, but I just decided to wait a little longer so I can hear the latest nonsense he relays about the terrorist attacks.

He spends a good 10-15 minutes talking about the deaths. Jach's voice is clearly nervous throughout most of the talk. So much for Jach being an objective channel that Lazaris transmits "bits and bleeps" to.

The entire tone of the talk is that P&M are now with Lazaris doing even more wonderful things than they did on earth. Like that would be hard to do. He says that it is glib to say that our loss would be L's gain. He also says that more accurately we will find that our loss will eventually be found to be our gain. I don't know about all of you, but all of the issues I felt over Peny's death centered around how the Lazaris material seemed to fail. This was never addressed.

He VERY explicitly says that Peny's death had nothing to do with any disease or illness and that it was in no way related to any cardiac or respiratory disorder or complication. He said that the medical examiner said the death was from natural causes, but the medical examiner was unable to find a reason why she died. Lazaris claims that she left her body and decided not to return. He claims that her ability to make quick choices and decisions in life was evident here also.

He claimed that Michaell had a level of commitment and integrity that was unparalleled. I guess L forgets about the MLM deals and Michaell's abandonment of her daughter. He implies that this commitment to Peny was behind his suicide. Of course, he first gives the legal disclaimer that neither Lazaris or anyone at CS encourages or endorses suicide. It seemed out of place to mention CS unless he was covering his legal butt.

Lazaris offered to surround us with his love and light so that we can find resolution and peace. Also, he claims something like we will become slightly more of our truer selves in the process.

Lazaris says that the reasons for death are always private and he will not discuss why they died to honor their privacy. A couple minutes later, he spills his guts, apparently forgetting his earlier words. He says that she was done with her 2 mandatory and 5 chosen life focuses.

The whole thing is rather sickening.

I then did my best to listen to the rest of the tape. I never made it past the first side of the first tape.

Cheers, Craig

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As usual, BRAVO for the detective work.!!! I'm sure the detectives in the case ordered that medical exam because of how wierd everything was, and also about Micheal's suicide, it probably made them wonder as much as we do.
Thank goddess for that !!!!!!I guess Jackass thought he'd schmoozed them with his smooth talking like he does to countless others and never imagined they'd have serious doubts about him, and the whole "scene"

If Bizzarus not being able to "detect" a "tension" in the "energies" around the WTC on 9/11 isn't enough to blow the lid off this den of vipers:
Then I just hope to goddess that some peoples crust of DENIAL keeping them holding onto this bullshit organization now breaks apart.!! sheesh, how much more can the brinwashed mind take before it crumbles under the weight of this proof that JACKASS is the biggest filthiest liar.....

I want to see him get outta THIS one!!!

Here I am, finding myself feeling sick all over again. You'd think my hide would be toughened by now.

What makes me sick about all of this, can I count the reasons?

You know the number one reason? Somewhere in my heart I was actually hoping that Peny did pass away quietly in the night. The thought of her painfully rotting away in her bed for months with little Mike playing physician (it was Mikey who allegedly dispensed the ill-gotten prescription meds, possibly further explaining his speedy and expedient exit from the scene), and the rest of the gang hanging about arrogantly believing that they were actually curing the poor sick debilitated creature, disturbs me beyond measure. Oh yes, isn't love grand?
Am I the only one whose nostrils are filled with the stench of self-serving selfishness?
Why didn't one of those idiots call an ambulance?

It disturbs me greatly because I have the misfortune to have had some insights into what the causes for such an inelegant and horrific end might have been. Maybe it just had something to do with the fact that Peny was shielded from the need to function on any normal level by being gifted by her adoring husband with the worlds most useless existance.

I've seen people die like Peny before. They were poor, ignorant, or depressed people who didn't have the resources, wisdom, or gumption to take the reigns and take care of themselves before their bodies deteriorated into such abysmal states.

I have posed this question here before, but it comes to my mind yet again. What is Jach's culpability here? What is the culpability of every one of those low lifes who enabled Peny by putting the daily polish on that pedestal she lived on?

If you are watching someone rotting away in front of your face do you do a voodoo dance or do you do something significant to help them? Do you continue to enable someone who has become so debilitated they cannot perform even the most mundane of chores? Someone who is in so much pain that they ultimately poison themselves from an overdose of tylenol, codeine and aspirin? Do you have any idea how much of that she had to have been taking? What the hell is wrong with those people?

Do you watch a person sit on their ever widening ass, the skin crackling off their body, and never encourage or inspire them to take a walk, eat a vegetable, see a doctor? Do you continue to supply the Haagen Dazs and chocolate chip cookies, and a bushel full of adoring, reassuring bullshit?

Lazaris uses the term "woeful self-neglect" in describing one of the symptoms of being in negative ego. How did anyone near Peny during those last years of her life not notice the symptoms? Was it negative-ego, or negative-adoration? Maybe it was just self preservation, or should I say paycheck preservation. Who can fathom?

In my opinion Jach killed Peny, and he was aided and abetted by his loving little Gang.
This illness of Peny's did not take place overnight. She was in a constant state of debilitation for years. What else can happen when someone is provided with such dramatic means to kill themselves, when they effectively are removed from the realities of life that most of the rest of us can't avoid, like making our own bed, washing dishes, doing laundry, cooking a meal, holding down a job, going to the supermarket, anything that would allow the blood to circulate and the muscles to remain functional?

Maybe if Peny had one damned purpose to her life besides living up to an impossible image she would be with us today. No wonder she was such a miserable angry bitch. She'd been slowly dying for years.

Is Peny culpable in her own death? Sure she is. She didn't have to play. But I do somewhat excuse her for caving into the allure of being spoiled, pampered, and enriched to death simply because she happened to have married the most dysfunctional human being who ever lived.

Get out your co-dependency tapes friends. This is one for the books.

Really and truly, I'm disgusted and anguished to my bones. I knew it was bad, I just had no idea how bad.

I know this news will circulate, and once again the followers will be charged with the emotional burden of finding some kind of justification. There will be no permission to discuss this, ask questions, process the information, nor will they be allowed to even actually believe it.

Everyone's heart stops beating when they die Jachass. The bit you neglected to mention, and took great pains to hide and deny is what was happening in Peny's body for the 6 months or so prior to the last beating of her heart. Too bad for you that the coroner's office didn't end up playing into your little mythology Jach. You never bothered mentioning that they were having a problem finding ONE cause of death because there were so MANY things wrong with her.

Yes, sometimes the most profound of truths abides between the words. Too bad any of us ever had to be privy to the truth that lies between yours and that fake entity you've concocted.

You are far far worse than just a cheap huckster Jach. I don't know that anyone has ever coined an adequate phrase for the likes of you.

Katie

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Oh, don't you know? They were all busily working their magic which mitigated the further damage the terrorists were planning.
The mapmaker magicians saved thousands, possibly hundreds of thousands of lives, get it right! Lazaris didn't intrude upon them by giving them any specifics, he just knew they were ready and able on their own.

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Then I just hope to goddess that some peoples crust of DENIAL keeping them holding onto this bullshit organization now breaks apart.!! sheesh, how much more can the brinwashed mind take before it crumbles under the weight of this proof that JACKASS is the biggest filthiest liar.....

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The excuses, rationalizations, justifications, and defenses will continue.

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Take this one to the bank. Jach will perform his stunts to an adoring crowd per usual without so much as a ripple on the smooth surface of his saintly brow.

And so it goes.

But, some of us will just keep on whirling those peas anyway. This ain't really about Jach or Peny, it's about having enough of a brain to be able to know better than to keep standing in a stenchy pile of shit.

Katie

I expect to have the report as soon as it is available. I have sent via Express Mail today a request for both reports. I talked to Sheilia at the records department who assured me that the report will be sent to me the day it is available. As I sent a return Express Mail envelope, I will thus receive it the next day. The day I receive them, I will scan them in and provide them on this site.

If anyone is interested in their own copy, send a check for $2.40 payable to the Orange County Sheriff's Department. I'm not sure whether it's necessary, but I would also send a self-address stamped envelope. While there is no need to call, the number for the records department is a 407-836-4020.

Here is a copy of the letter I sent:

Orlando County Sheriff's Department
Attn: Sheilia
7003 Presidents Drive
Suite 500
Orlando, FL 32809

October 9, 2001

Dear Sheilia:

Please send a copy of the following two reports from Detective Tramonte:

Case # 01038597 (Peny North)
Case # 01038818 (Michaell North)

I have enclosed a check for $2.40 for a copy of each report.

Please send the reports using the enclosed postage paid express mail envelope. If either report is not ready, please wait until both are ready before sending.

My address and contact information is:

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Thank you in advance for your timely cooperation.

Sincerely,

Craig XXXXXXXXX

You said: As usual, BRAVO for the detective work.!!! I'm sure the detectives in the case ordered that medical exam because of how wierd everything was, and also about Micheal's suicide, it probably made them wonder as much as we do.

I think we all are very indebted to Katie for the quick action she took when P/M died. By talking to the detective involved so very early on, my guess is that this is what pushed him to order an autopsy. My understanding was this was not going to happen as everyone assumed she died of congestive heart failure. I'm sure the information Katie provided to the detective was instrumental in helping him reach the decision to push for an autopsy.

As today's news sinks in, I find my emotions varying from the pain of compassion for Peny, to anger towards Jach and others in the C:S organization, to gratitude that this information will hopefully convince some people to re-examine their beliefs about Lazaris.

You said: Nice bag of lies.

I can not underestimate how important I perceive these revelations to be. There has been a plethora of circumstantial evidence and conclusions that have been reached prior to this information. There has also been many stories that can not be told due to people fearing what C:S may do if the stories are told. Most of the evidence points to faults with Jach, Peny, Michaell and other C:S members. While there has been some very questionable information about Lazaris, it could always be explained away by the faithful. However, we now for the first time have direct information from the PUBLIC RECORD from two sources (the statements from the Healing the Broken Alliances tape and Detective Tramonte's report). The synergy of these two sources causes me to reach the inescapable conclusion that LAZARIS lied to us.

*** THIS IS HUGE !!!! ***

It will be humorous to watch how some twist their logic to the point of breaking in an attempt to deny this conclusion.

You said: Take this one to the bank. Jach will perform his stunts to an adoring crowd per usual without so much as a ripple on the smooth surface of his saintly brow.

I hope Jach creates a new map that is different from fellow fallen mystics. The new map would be to shut down shop as quickly as possible. He could then retire with the huge inheritance all of us have given him and spend the rest of his life figuring out some way to burn off the karma he has created for himself.

When my uncle landed on D Day -- little did he know that his primary objective was to get Adolph Hitler to rase a small barrel to his mouth and pull just one precious trigger.

Today, October 9, 2001 -- we courageous, determined, relentless Cosmicfools have landed on the beaches of Orlando, Florida -- Katie.

This is full on, gloves-off information war -- and we the people are *now* winning -- as never before.

The alternative / new age media forcast us NOW calling for *excellent* public exposure conditions.

At last.

Multiple warheads are now being armed for thundering cross-continental deployment at our newly referbished Peny North Memorial Minute Man launch facility.

Thank God for the opportunity and Providence of karmic social justice -- and God bless our free speach.

There really is an all-permeating Force of Good. And when you work on it's side -- it's wind is at your back.

Steve

This is one lie, the lie that caught "Lazaris." There are many, many more.

Thanks for posting the contact info.

Jade

I do have to admit to a sense of resonance with the concept of a surgical attack against an invasive force.

I think the Orb missed this one in "his" Year of 2001 predictions.

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I think we all are very indebted to Katie for the quick action she took when P/M died. By talking to the detective involved so very early on, my guess is that this is what pushed him to order an autopsy.I think we all are very indebted to Katie for the quick action she took when P/M died.

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Thanks for your persitent sleuthing Katie.

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This is one lie, the lie that caught "Lazaris." There are many, many more.

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Yes, there have been so many, but maybe for some this will be the one. Hope springs eternal. We each seem to have our own "screw this" moment. I think you and I had ours long ago. For some, possibly this will be the check out point.

It will be interesting to gauge.

I wrote to the one Gangsta who I think might actually have a thread of decency within her.
How could those privy to the scene of the now exposed pathetic demise of the "pampered to death" one not have the conscience to respond?

to those of us who have!

Who would have thought that my heart would ever go out to the Queen of Bitches, but today it is. Something really unconscionable happened to her, even beyond anything she deserved or created. She was betrayed and destroyed by the same misguided and contrived ill-conceived force which purported to "honor and love" her. There is some high irony and profound illumination in today's revelations.

I am sad and disturbed beyond description.

Katie

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To some of us these are important revelations. Time will tell how significant and important they are to others. Clearly we each have our own relative experience here, maybe relevant to our individual relationship to truth.

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Thanks for your persitent sleuthing Katie.

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Thank you for being such an inspiring, wise, and tireless advocate for the mission of this site, to provide the opportunity and incentive to hear, speak, and be heard.

Your wise, compassionate, patient, insightful and creative input has been a gift to us all.

Katie

You said: (it was Mikey who allegedly dispensed the ill-gotten prescription meds, possibly further explaining his speedy and expedient exit from the scene)

Excuse my skepticism, but maybe Jacky actually dispensed the meds and then blamed Mikey since Mikey can't defend himself. Hmmmm...

OH MY GAAAAAAD!!!! I am still in shock, and I'm wondering what happens next. The walls must be closing in on the Concept: Synergy scam. Is the next step a conviction for fraud? I can almost hear the earthquake boom of Jach's butt puckering up. He really is humpty dumpty now!

Good work Katie!

You said: I wrote to the one Gangsta who I think might actually have a thread of decency within her.

I really hope some people take this opportunity to "come clean". I strongly feel it is time to shut the sideshow down. While at one time it may have arguably been helpful, that time has past. Hopefully some at CS will start to make amends by sharing information as outlined in the "A request for information" thread.

As I was reading your compassionate post regarding Peny's long bout with disease and pain, I have to admit I was moved.

Images came to mind of a poverty stricken or deperate person with no resources. It is very sad and sickening. Her life was a bit more like a Shaskperian tragedy, like she was sentenced with her own deeds, and those around her to suffer the lonely, excrutiating life of an outcast in her ivory tower.

I must admit that the empathy and the thoughts you expressed wouldn't have entered my mind had you not brought them up. Giving that whole episode more time in my brain was what I was trying to avoid.

But it is important to remember the whole gang's involvement, in those last episodes of her life, and how they could allow such horrible things to happen, it is truly sickening, and also starkly clear what sickos Jachass, and Micheall, and all those nearby are.

Just that Peny was a human being, and for that it is so disturbing that they'd treat her no better than an dis-respected animal in a cage.

I am glad for your words, and I do hope it causes others to realize more fully the depth of decadence to which all those people have sunk.

Yeah,...Just keep whirling more peas, I am afraid you are probably right, in that Jachass will put on the best show he can muster, and continue to swoon the followers to sleep.

What we can do is revel in our freedom, our strength of purpose, and the ownership of our own destiny.

You're awesome! Thanks for all the time and energy you've put into unraveling this mess. I think you did have a lot to do with inspiring the detectives to look deeper.

On the Lite Site, someone wrote that she feels sorry for those who are still ranting and raving. Sorry, Ms. Lite, but this is not ranting and raving - it is very productive Truth-finding, cult-fighting activity. After the initial shock of the terroristic acts wears off, I will be very grateful to those who continue on to fight the evil, who don't let go of their outrage, who know the fight isn't over until it is won.

Your continuing passion is exactly what we need to fight the battle for our Freedom of Mind, the Mother of all Freedoms. If the theft of one's mind is not legitemate cause for outrage, I don't know what is.

Nice to hear from you! Where have you been hiding? (lol)

Wisdom from Helena:

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I am afraid that all those people who remained in an abusive situation for years with CS also have a responsibility themselves for the lives they created. They are not poor victims, there were pay-offs and reasons why they were resonating with the energy and closed their eyes to the dirty things that were going on.

It feels exiting that Lazaris himself is getting exposed now as a lier, that is quite an accomplishment for you guys. Congratulations! Though I must admit that I, although it was fine for the beginning, had enough of the ranting and raving long time ago. And this is not personally meant for you Craig, I know that you are not ranting and raving. It just seemed to me at some point that going on blaming Jach and Lazaris endlessly, without ever reaching any closure or without ever taking any kind of responsibility for our own experience was pretty futile.

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On the Lite Site, someone wrote that she feels sorry for those who are still ranting and raving. Sorry, Ms. Lite, but this is not ranting and raving - it is very productive Truth-finding, cult-fighting activity. After the initial shock of the terroristic acts wears off, I will be very grateful to those who continue on to fight the evil, who don't let go of their outrage, who know the fight isn't over until it is won.

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Funny how Helena's logic about closure doesn't seem to include her evident inability to reach closure on her issues with us Cosfools. I wonder when she's going to stop ranting and raving about us and get on with her own business of running that non-judgemental board of hers?

Have you ever noticed how within some circles the term "sadness" is interchangeable with "contempt"? I guess that's the cowards way out of using a "negative" word.

Blaaahh, I never did like cotton candy.

Such jaw dropping news.

Well let's look at this one a little deeper on the body level. Skin disorders usually have to do with a congested liver. When a condition has gone this far the liver is in pretty serious shape. Add too much medication and BANG! My bet is her liver just could not keep up.

On an emotional level, severe skin disorders have to do with self-loathing, self-hatred and lots of anger.

Very sad, Lynn

I wonder how any human could keep up with the kind of set-up Peny involved herself in.

If it is shaming to place responsibilities on someone that they are not able to handle imagine how shaming it had to be for Peny to have to carry that burden of being the most loving, perfect, wonderful, magical, and powerful person on Earth. All the money and glory in the world could not give any human the muscle to carry that burden for long.

Peny never provided one bit of evidence that she was eligible for the honor, yet how many thousands of people were more than delighted to assist Jach in heaping it on her?

Peny was guilty of an enormous blind arrogance, and of willingly and actively participating in the perpetration of one of the worlds most stupendous lies, but when you think about it, everyone of us who played along even in the slightest was culpable too. What kind of minds chose to wrap themselves around such a fantastic and completely unsubstantiated claim? No one ever saw Peny walk on water, raise the dead, or even accomplish anything. I wonder if she could even boil water, or if she ever had to.

Those closest to Peny were the most culpable, they saw her in action on a day to day basis and had to know in their hearts that they were not dealing with anyone even remotely powerful or accomplished. From what I hear the pay isn't even that good. It was an act of ongoing intense contempt for truth, honesty, reality, and ultimately Peny that fueled that sad scene.

I remember very clearly trying to figure Peny out, and thinking that surely she wouldn't mind being spoken to human to human.
It was that mistake on my part that started Forum Storm. What is sick about the whole situation isn't so much Peny's response to me, but the intense support she got for her clearly outrageous, obsessive, and inappropriate response to a person who sincerely sought to support and believe in her. Her inability to accept any kind of sincere friendship on an equal playing field was so clearly indicative of a disturbed mind, but her mercenaries did their work nevertheless, as did each of her supporters, not one of whom ever stopped to consider that they really weren't doing Peny any favors at all. We never do when we support someone who is clearly in the wrong, and Peny was clearly in the wrong many many times.

What my Forum experience taught me is that the more ferocious a person was in their support of Peny, the more nasty and mean they really are in reality. I got to know some of these people upclose and comfortable.
It took me all of a few weeks of knowing some of them to get the picture. Some took a bit longer, but one by one, the focus has become clear. Peny's supporters are dishonest, mean, self-serving and hypocritical in degrees relative to their proximity to her. Love, decency, honesty and justice cannot flourish in the dark regions of false godhood. Maybe that is the wisdom contained in the first commandment.

Yes, this is a sad, sad story with many lessons for all of us, those of us who falsely seek adoration, and those of us who offer it.

Peny is the dead one, but the rest of us are still here, charged with the responsibility to figure out how any of us could have participated on any level in such a deadly dance.

I have to wonder how Jach will now fare, but trust me, I don't care. Whatever disgraceful end he comes to will be too good for him. One has to note though, that he has very carefully shielded himself from carrying the same burdens that he so lovingly placed on Peny.

Katie

Yeah, there is a lot of thinking to do on this one. I've taken my fair share of potshots at Peny, but the longer I look at this tragedy, the more I see that it is Jach and that nasty little Gang of his that are the real criminals in all of this.

I can't personally imagine assuming the role that Peny did, no matter how beautifully the "gift" was wrapped. But, I can fathom how she fell into the trap. As her character inevitably deteriorated so did her body. All the bullshit in the world couldn't continue to prop her up. Yeah, she decided to check out, but I wouldn't agree that it was a happy choice. I think the whole mess just got too deep for her, and not one person in her personal entourage had the courage, strength, respect, or love to help her out of the muck. Or, who knows, maybe that is why some of those long timers were suddenly fired. Maybe some tried but the armored guard was just too impenetrable.

All I can say is "Rest in Peace, Peny. Right in this moment, I just might be your staunchest supporter".

It's a virus that gets into a person's system from having had chicken pox, but doesn't have an effect except when the immune system is weak. Its related to herpes.

This link is informative, but there are some disturbing pictures of advanced cases. My mother had shingles a couple of times (also had a weak immune system) but it never looked this nasty. www.dermnet.org.nz/index.html

Also, congestive heart failure disease is very miserable. Just taking a few steps leaves the aflicted out of breath and exhausted. The body retains fluids, so much so, that near the end stages they must be drained. Death usually comes from a malfunctioning organ like an overwhelmed liver, rather than the heart.

I think it is very sad for anyone to die in so much pain.

Jade

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On the Lite Site, someone wrote that she feels sorry for those who are still ranting and raving.

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I think each of us has had some from of closure already. But we are anticipating the ultimate closure -- to see Jach/Lazaris closed down. Not out of revenge but because what he is doing is a scam and it is wrong.

To sum this site up as "ranting and raving" is beyond Lite, it's UltraLite.

Jade

As you know, I previously requested copies of the detective's report surrounding Peny's and Michaell's death. I hope to have those within the week. I am also sending out today two express mail envelopes to the medical examiner so I can get the medical reports as soon as they are available. They sound like they are a couple of weeks away. Again, I will post those as soon as I receive them.

Here is a copy of the letter I sent (BTW, the # for the M.E. office is 407-836-9400):

Medical Examiner's Office
Attn: Tony Miranda
1401 Lucerne Terrace
Orlando, FL 32806

October 11, 2001

Dear Mr. Miranda:

As per our telephone conversation today, please send a copy of the medical exmainer's report for both Michaell and Peny North (date of death May 9, 2001). I have enclosed two separate express mail envelopes for each report.

My contact information is:

Craig XXXXXXXXXX
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Thanks for you cooperation.

Sincerely,

Craig XXXXXXXX

Thanks for posting the information for those who wish to see the reports for themselves.

I'm kinda curious myself.

This bit about carbon dioxide spray isn't fitting in. I wonder if he meant hydrogen peroxide? I just can't find anywhere where CO2 is used therapeutically, not for humans anyway.

I'm curious if anyone has heard anything like this?

Hopefully all our questions will be resolved with the receipt of the reports.

BTW Craig, the information the Michaell was the one medicating Peny was reported to me as having come from him directly during his police interview. That was before he hit the gas.

A lot of the details of this story will probably never be told, or not for a long time IMO. The tightness of that little band is pretty astounding.

Oh right, and now we have the will to check out, I forgot about that one. Anyone up for running that one down?

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Although shingles can infect and occur in people at any age, it is more
prevalent in the elderly and immune compromised individuals. For these
people it is an excruciating experience and many do not recover because the
pain is more than they can bear.

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Though I am speculating about shingles, it fits with what we have learned. Possibly carbon monoxide was used to kill the virus, as much as for the pain.

Jade

Just getting back to the board after a couple of days of craziness.

Yes Jade, shingles does fit the bill. Very painful. I know a couple clients who have had it. Also my grandmother. In all of these cases it lasted for months. Terrible stuff.

Since I haven't seen the people at the post office yet this week, I expressed mailed the following request for the wills of Peny and Michaell. I should have them back on Wednesday, but probably won't post them until late Wednesday or early Thursday.

The telephone number for the probate office is 407-836-2058. Unlike the other reports, this one requires a money order (payable to the "Clerk of the Court"). Each will is 24 pages and a copy costs a dollar a page. Here is the letter I sent:

Clerk of the Court
Probate Office
425 N. Orange Avenue, Suite 340
Orlando, FL 32801

October 15, 2001

Dear Sir/Madam:

Please send a copy of the wills for both Peny North and Michaell North who deceased on May 9, 2001. Their case numbers are:

WS01-326
WS01-327

I have enclosed a money order for $48.00 for a copy of each of the wills.

Please send the reports using the enclosed postage paid express mail envelope.

My address and contact information is:
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Thank you in advance for your timely cooperation.

Sincerely,

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...I expressed mailed the following request for the wills of Peny and Michaell. I should have them back on Wednesday, but probably won't post them until late Wednesday or early Thursday.

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What a carrot for getting back here Wed night and/or Thursday! (Katie, Ted -- are your servers braced for another onslaught of visitors then?) Nice timing, too -- Jach's hosting an "Online Conference" Thursday night: "Jack to respond to your questions". Right.

Many thanks for the time, energy, and expense you are spending, and for sharing the fruits of your labors with the rest of us. A 24-page will -- sounds like a pretty lengthy list of assets!

Susan