IMO a subject that needs especially serious review and reconsideration is the subject of "Lazaris" and the Higher Self. In defining a HS, J/L made himself an essential part of the equation: You + Your Higher Self + "Lazaris"

J/L cast himself as an intermediary entity between us and a Higher Self. Said he communicated with the HS before we did, and that he maintained ongoing communication. He wrote a book, made tapes, held seminars about our relationships with our own essential inner being. He defined it for us, told us how to meet it. And created meditations about it, some including the Orb and the HS. He let it be known that he was more evolved than HS -- he's helping it to grow. Muchas gracias Jach.

The last section of the Morning tape is an emotional telling of how The Orb led HS to us. And OH the excitment of the HS to finally know that one of hundreds of it's own manifestations was going (and coming) HOHME. The poor dumb lonely HS is so grateful to know that it is not alone. How f***ing poignant.

If you have problems connecting with your HS, maybe you need to buy tapes on deserving, receiving, loving or being loved, busting neg. ego, etc -- hell by 'em all. And memorize those tedious meditations in the book. And overcome your problems with visualizing.

My HS, which I prefer to refer to as my inner Self (IS), pretty much refused to participate in reinforcing J/L's parasitic HS BS. After years of trying to open to Sparky's pathetic version of my own inner being, spontaneous IS experiences, pre L and post L, have reinforced the absurdity of his claims.

Maybe Craig could ask "Lazaris" to ask my HS if Lazaris is real.

Jade

PS. Miss Pee surely had a profoundly touching relationship with her HS.

Wow, I love this topic! I admire your courage to raise the subject publicly. I can see a lot of die hard FOLs immediate reaction might be that you, too, are "throwing away your spirituality". To anyone with such a reaction, please read Jade's post about 10 more times. She is not throwing away her spirituality. She is reclaiming it.

Just because you (a FOL) might have an absolutely marvelous relationship with your HS as defined by Lazaris doesn't mean that others can't have different, but just as marvelous, relationships with spiritual parts of themselves (Inner Self in Jade's case) that don't meet Lazaris's exact form and definition. She is also not denying that your relationship is real.

As I side note, I just realized the difference between a friend of Lazaris and someone who has reclaimed their own spirituality (a cosmic fool). A cosmic fool has had the "Oh!" realization about Lazaris. Thus, putting another "O" (for Oh) in "FOL", we now have "FOOL".

You said: If you have problems connecting with your HS, maybe you need to buy tapes on deserving, receiving, loving or being loved, busting neg. ego, etc -- hell by 'em all. And memorize those tedious meditations in the book. And overcome your problems with visualizing.

That certainly rings true to me. Other than at my first intensive with Lazaris, I have never been able to visualize my HS or have much of a relationship with him/her. How I beat myself up over this failing! While the concept appealed to me intellectually, it always felt somewhat "off" in my case. I too have relationships with other spiritual sides of myself, but they just happen to be in a different form than Lazaris dictates.

You said: The last section of the Morning tape is an emotional telling of how The Orb led HS to us. And OH the excitment of the HS to finally know that one of hundreds of it's own manifestations was going (and coming) HOHME. The poor dumb lonely HS is so grateful to know that it is not alone. How f***ing poignant.

Oh, how can we ever thank Thee? Wait, didn't You also say that everyone was going home, no exceptions? I get it, we are getting to reserve seats on the "Express". I guess Peny, in her ineffable luminosity, was fortunate enough to catch the early morning Express.

Jade!!!! Thank you for brining this up. That is all I have to say. That and the animated icon you used takes the cake.

Craig: [[[As I side note, I just realized the difference between a friend of Lazaris and someone who has reclaimed their own spirituality (a cosmic fool). A cosmic fool has had the "Oh!" realization about Lazaris. Thus, putting another "O" (for Oh) in "FOL", we now have "FOOL".]]

I love it! When I wrote FOL, I kept thinking of the JPM Follies. We all got to be in the Burlesque show. I much prefer being a fool.

quote:

---

J/L cast himself as an intermediary entity between us and a Higher Self. Said he communicated with the HS before we did, and that he maintained ongoing communication. He wrote a book, made tapes, held seminars about our relationships with our own essential inner being. He defined it for us, told us how to meet it. And created meditations about it, some including the Orb and the HS. He let it be known that he was more evolved than HS -- he's helping it to grow. Muchas gracias Jach.

---

quote:

---

The last section of the Morning tape is an emotional telling of how The Orb led HS to us. And OH the excitment of the HS to finally know that one of hundreds of it's own manifestations was going (and coming) HOHME. The poor dumb lonely HS is so grateful to know that it is not alone. How f***ing poignant.

---

quote:

---

If you have problems connecting with your HS, maybe you need to buy tapes on deserving, receiving, loving or being loved, busting neg. ego, etc -- hell by 'em all. And memorize those tedious meditations in the book. And overcome your problems with visualizing.

---

quote:

---

My HS, which I prefer to refer to as my inner Self (IS), pretty much refused to participate in reinforcing J/L's parasitic HS BS. After years of trying to open to Sparky's pathetic version of my own inner being, spontaneous IS experiences, pre L and post L, have reinforced the absurdity of his claims.

---

quote:

---

Maybe Craig could ask "Lazaris" to ask my HS if Lazaris is real

---

Just the other night I was working on a personal issue and started to wonder where I should turn. I used to turn to my Higher Self or Lazaris. Well, I certainly won't turn to Lazaris. But what about my Higher Self? Who is he? What power does he have?

I decided that the issue would be resolved because I choose to resolve it and because I have the power to resolve it. I had used this very complicated technique to great success many times prior to hearing anything from "Lazaris". I realized at that point that I am my own Higher Self. I am my Higher Self when I believe in myself and when I choose to be powerful, ethical, magical.

The me who sometimes whines helplessly or manipulates is the same me who creates brilliant miracles. Why the need to compartmentalize? If I see 2 (or more) different mes, then whichever me I'm coming from at any given time is dependant on someone else, therefore, not independant. If I'm coming from the whining me, then I hope my Powerful me will take mercy. If I'm coming from my Powerful me, then I'm hoping my whining me won't take control. The only way to work powerfully with all of me is to be all of me.

So sometimes I lose sight and think I'm just a helpless piece of jetsam - not often. But when I do have full vision, I am my Higher Self - or Complete Self (Jade, I like your Inner Self, but Complete Self works better for me. We don't need to agree on terminology because we're not in a cult ) To see my Higher or Complete Self as someone else is to put my power outside of myself.

Putting our power outside of ourselves is IMO a major part of the Lazaris Material. Lazaris will stand between us and God, between us and our Higher Selves, between us and our language (hence their own definitions of so many words such as Love, Trust, ego), between us and our successes. But they won't stand between us and our failures. We don't need a middle man, especially one that charges such a huge markup and delivers cut merchandise.

Cheers, Ted

P.S. Great graphic.

IMO said,

quote:

---

I didn't quite realize until reading this post that I have been putting off looking at this part of me. I've been avoiding this subject. Old habits die hard.

---

The absence of discussion on this significant subject is telling. Because we already had some sense of a greater self, J/L was able to elaborate on it and enmesh himself in the relationship that he defined. Not experiencing a powerful relationship with this HS student/buddy of J/L leads to self criticism and a sense of not being up to par spiritually.

Craig said,

quote:

---

Other than at my first intensive with Lazaris, I have never
been able to visualize my HS or have much of a relationship with him/her. How I beat myself up over this failing! While the concept appealed to me intellectually, it always felt somewhat "off" in my case. I too have relationships with other spiritual sides of myself, but they just
happen to be in a different form than Lazaris dictates.

---

The HS is a touchy area because we are cognizant of the part that is true, yet judged our HS relationship by the Orb's fictional standard. This diverted us from and diminished our own authentic experience, and negatively tainted our own self assessment in this area. As Katie pointed out, more contrivance, more struggle, more enmeshment with the Orb.

Ted said,

quote:

---

I realized at that point that I am my own Higher Self.

---

And,

quote:

---

Putting our power outside of ourselves is IMO a major part of the Lazaris Material. Lazaris will stand between us and God, between us and our Higher Selves, between us and our language
(hence their own definitions of so many words such as Love, Trust, ego), between us and
our successes. But they won't stand between us and our failures. We don't need a middle man, especially one that charges such a huge markup and delivers cut merchandise.

---

"Cut mechandise" courtesy of middle man
Jach.

Jade

I have always wondered why my 'higher self' didn't squeeze back when our hands met. I spent so long doing series of meditations about connecting with HS, re-did the stuff so many times just to be sure and also because I never felt the reality that laz promised I would feel if I did the meditations and techniques (needless to state it was because of my ...you name it).

Recently I have been thinking that if I do have a higher self and if lazaris is a great big phoney then the last thing that the higher self would do is to encourage or create a connection or even create a good reality according to the tenets of lazaris because that would only embed me in them further.

The other question regarding this is what exactly IS a higher self. Do people who don't have this concept fail to connect with God or spirituality? I don't somehow think so. More and more I wonder about the role of the meditations and detailed techniques, the plethora of 'beings' from magicians to shining ones, from higher selves to counsellors, old men, old women. Are they just a metaphor? if so why present them as fact? Do they DO anything other than sell tapes?

Good topic, thank you
ali

quote:

---

As I side note, I just realized the difference between a friend of Lazaris and someone who has reclaimed their own spirituality (a cosmic fool). A cosmic fool has had the "Oh!" realization about Lazaris. Thus, putting another "O" (for Oh) in "FOL", we now have "FOOL".
This is priceless and I do agree.

---

This is priceless, and right up there with "Lava and Peas" and "Fools go where Angels fear to tread".

We have a lot of cool humor here, but that's the calling card of a FOOL isn't it?

I also was glad to see you address this higher self topic.

quote:

---

The Orb led HS to us. And OH the excitment of the HS to finally know that one of hundreds of it's own manifestations was going (and coming) HOHME. The poor dumb lonely HS is so grateful to know that it is not alone. How f***ing poignant.

---

I just relistened to this the other night and took some notes. I used to love this tape and now I shudder at the times I went to sleep with this freakish fairy tale.

laz also said on the tape that he told our higher self that out there was a "you" who would wake up and who would find that SPARK and follow it wherever it led.

This really bothers me since laz always referred to himself as a "spark" of light. I wonder now if jach didn't intentionally say it like this so we would be programmed to follow the spark of laz wherever it led.
I get the creepiest feeling about this.

He then goes on to say he told our HS we would not give up or quit, though some would have you lower your expectations or give up your dreams, you would not. (more hypnotic suggestions?)

He said they (HS) did not believe us (laz) at first, (Why? Did they know something we didn't?)
but then they found you and they came running to us with wide eyes and innocence (like us when we signed up to be in your cult?)
and told us about this special "you".

Then laz says that the HS asks them to help us find them and laz said "Yes".

Then laz does a massive love bombing for us and our HS. He also said that even though we would never be able to figure out why they loved us ($) just know that they do.

I never questioned this and now I can see it for what it really is. If I had a HS as laz describes then it would have known about the me in this lifetime. It wouldn't have needed laz to find me.

Jade, you really called this one right - bullshit.

Katie, you wrote:

quote:

---

I think the more we look at all of these Lazarian concepts the more we will see more of the same. It's always about us needing Lazaris, being grateful to Lazaris, the non-intevening Lazaris intervening on our behalf, always for our highest good of course. The twists and turns of it all are dazzling in their a-MAZE-ment.

---

That's exactly it - the gratitude that jach wanted us to feel kept us in a space where we would not question the material (or the source of that material). How could we? It would be so ungrateful and in the face of all that love(his definition) we wouldn't even consider questioning it.

quote:

---

We need to do more of this, IMO. We need to be taking these concepts apart one by one, chopping them apart until we find ourselves in that place where there are no unanswered questions, no garbage to sift through to find the gems, no inconsistancies to turn a blind eye to so we can hold on to the "good stuff". This thinking is truly mind boggling to me, but so very much indicitive of the studies done on people who have been long imprisoned.

---

I agree 100%. The more we shed the light of truth on these concepts the more power we take back.

Ted, you wrote:

quote:

---

Putting our power outside of ourselves is IMO a major part of the Lazaris Material. Lazaris will stand between us and God, between us and our Higher Selves, between us and our language (hence their own definitions of so many words such as Love, Trust, ego), between us and our successes. But they won't stand between us and our failures. We don't need a middle man, especially one that charges such a huge markup and delivers cut merchandise.

---

How true this is. Laz/jach did tapes on claiming our personal power. We thought we were taking back our power. That was the illusion that was created by jach/laz while all along we gave away our power to laz.

Jach's HS = H$

Sincerely,

Mickey

ps - Craig, I really liked the FOL to FOOL!!

[This message has been edited by Mickey (edited 11-08-2001).]

Kudos for the guts to re-listen to any of those "freakish fairytale" tapes...

It struck me as I read, that all that good stuff you pulled from it is a good thing to be cognizant of, because you are getting in touch with more precision how and in wich way yuo were "programmed" to follow bizzarus' bullshit...

I threw all my tapes, books in the garbage...so thanks for the points you made, that is enlightening....

You're welcome.

My tapes will be going in the garbage after I finish finding all the lies and putting them in here. I've already gotten rid of a lot of them.

Sincerely,

"Lazaris" makes such a sacrosant big f*ing deal out of his "Higher Self" concept, while making certain that his introductory, intermediary, superior connection -- and superiority to HS is firmly embedded in the psyche of FOLs.

This is truly revolting. Jach has no bottom line when it comes to messing with people's minds and spirituality. And no upper limit to his financial aspirations.

Jade