I used to feel mystified (and intimidated) by cryptic legal documents, until I had on-the- job paralegal training, and had to reorganize the form files. There is a form for every legal situation, which attorneys fill in with the appropriate legalese. J/L does the same thing with only a few forms (his own design). He fills in the blanks with IMO synthesized pilfered material and, to a greater extent his own fabrications, then splatters all of it with his own cult jargon.

Also, think of those people on home shopping networks who can spend what seems like an eternity promoting and discussing minutia about a perfectly ordinary cubic zirconium ring. Or TV sports pundits who have bottomless pits of trivia to relate about an endless list of sports figures. We recognize that these folks have a talent for gab. J/L has a genius for the gab he generates, but because it is woo woo spirituality, it falls in the realm of awe. (But wait a minute, why so much doodling in my [disposed of] notebooks?)

No one can check up on the content because the Orb has the last word on everything. The ultimate cosmic expert doesn't have to refute the criticism of peers because there are none. "Just you, just us" and you better listen up if you want to go HOOHME, homey.

Most people arrive at seminars with an expectant emotional and mental "set." The great majority of attendees are pre-invested in the Orb, having already given their trust and even love to him. They have made careful travel plans (possibly getting time off from work), paid out a substantial sum for the whole trip, and are expecting SOMETHING to happen while in the presence of the great Orb. And they anticipate that a significant change will be set in motion because of their attendance. Everybody is open for something powerful, wonderful, insightful, MAGEECAL to take place. In fact they are expecting it. And by golly something does happen -- at least once in a while. "Just you, just us."

But imagine if you went to work, or a restaurant or the mall with all that preparation, anticipation and expectation, pre-investment, openess -- AND practically everyone else was in the same state of mind ..... and you all meditated....

A perspiring, goofy grinned spook in human drag, having a bit of genius for presentation of unverifiable material in a tired and true format. An audience bringing a whole lot of trust, credulity and invested expectation. An intimate moment in a submissive position, the gift of a personal polished pebble. "Just you, just us. "

Oh, I've been meaning to ask, how was "The Most Significant Decade Ever, Past Present and Future" for ya?

Sure I thought of YK2.



Jade

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Ever consider that J/L's structured presentations are even more convenient for him than his listeners? The Orb has the same format with a few variations -- for different colored tapes, for evenings, for weekends, for seminars.

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I used to feel mystified (and intimidated) by cryptic legal documents, until I had on-the- job paralegal training, and had to reorganize the form files. There is a form for every legal situation, which attorneys fill in with the appropriate legalese. J/L does the same thing with only a few forms (his own design). He fills in the blanks with IMO synthesized pilfered material and, to a greater extent his own fabrications, then splatters all of it with his own cult jargon.

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Most people arrive at seminars with an expectant emotional and mental "set."
Yes! Yes! We arrive all softned up for the kill, and the entire structure of the seminars is geared toward continuing the process. We are tweaked, twisted and turned mentally and emotionally to be subliminally prepared for the big "kill". How the hell could we fail to have an intense experience when every mental and emotional manipulation known to man is employed to completely set us up for the big crashing crescendo of intense emotion, and the illusion that something really profound has just occured?
This is why I despise what Jach does so much. There is no doubt in my mind that it is deliberate and calculated from start to finish.
[quote]The great majority of attendees are pre-invested in the Orb, having already given their trust and even love to him. They have made careful travel plans (possibly getting time off from work), paid out a substantial sum for the whole trip, and are expecting SOMETHING to happen while in the presence of the great Orb. And they anticipate that a significant change will be set in motion because of their attendance. Everybody is open for something powerful, wonderful, insightful, MAGEECAL to take place. In fact they are expecting it. And by golly something does happen -- at least once in a while. "Just you, just us."

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Religion needs trust. Trust means the doubting faculty of the mind goes to sleep, like hypnosis.

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The essence of trust is that you can relax and not be concerned with doubt.
I think the reason that I (and several posters in older threads) have described myself as having snapped out of the "Lazaris" trance is that once seduced into trusting the Orb, there is an ongoing hypnosis-like suspension of doubt. And a pre-disposition to accept what one is told.

Faith in ourselves and in our personal spirituality does need trust. But, putting our trust in a religion, or a spirituality like the Lazaris Material, shifts our personal power from us to them -- no matter how much they tell us that they are helping us to empower and free ourselves.

According to them, we need to hop into their vehicle for the ride to our own unique, individual Self.

IMO these groups are very calculated when it comes to gaining trust, they know that after that it's a downhill ride for them. Look at the behavior of of Peny and Jach, in particular, on the forum. They knew they could be controlling and abusive because they were well aware that the flock was mesmerized, and they were the ones swinging the magic Orb pendulum.

Jade

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Oh, I've been meaning to ask, how was "The Most Significant Decade Ever -- Past, Present, and Future" for ya?

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The Orb's extreme emphasis on the 1990's as the most pivotal, significant decade ever created a tremendous, do or die pressure to bust your buns working with the material.

Not only was, "practice over", but growth critical, not just for the fulfillment of the individual "map maker", but for the creation of the planet's brilliant future. (Consider the option -- being responsible for and living your last years in a dreary, desperate doomed civilization.)

The most obvious effects were:
A. Buy up those tapes, books videos, get thee to seminars, stock up on important cry$tals. If you don't get it right, NOW, it is mediocrity or nightmares for ever after 'til the miserable end, or the really miserable end. (Either way, you'll be unendingly kicking your self in the behind for not creating it right during THE DECADE. Of course , you'll need "Lazaris" more than evah! "Cause he loves ya no matter what. And he might just pop up with another crucially important time zone for your salvation.)

B. Expect that, at the end of the penultimate decade, reality would be mageekally different. (Is the dubiously elected dino "W" a manifestation of the future of dreams ). And if you aren't the impetuous type, there would be new earthly heights to experience before finally departing to be with the Orb for all eternity.

C. Sign up years in advance for the Millenium Celebration with the Orb. Think of the big time day trading with those deposits and payments. And renovations for the ballroom. Partay Penay!

D. If a forum member, subject yourself without reservation, to any and all personal shredding, followed by muchas writhing apologies, so that you will be in your spiritual adult and fit to follow Peny HOOHME.
(ie, not blowing it like you foolishly did in your last couple of Atlantintintinean incarnations.)

"Just you, just us" L L

Jade

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"The Orb's extreme emphasis on the 1990's as the most pivotal, significant decade ever created a tremendous, do or die pressure to bust your buns working with the material.

Not only was, "practice over", but growth critical, not just for the fulfillment of the individual "map maker", but for the creation of the planet's brilliant future. (Consider the option -- being responsible for and living your last years in a dreary, desperate doomed civilization.)"

When I look back at it, the pressure was unbelievable. Am I good enough, will I be able to keep up? am I the only one not getting this? Jesus I just missed something he said, oh I’m so bad and wrong. Oh my god did I fall asleep through the final meditation? I really am not good enough. I just know this will cost me another thousand lifetimes. Maybe If I buy that $100,000.00 big crystal from the back table it will help me squeak by. I’ll get every tape and attend every seminar for the rest of the decade, that’s gotta work. How can I get off from work to attend another seminar? Can I afford it? Screw it, just put it on another credit card. Hey maybe CS will let me make payments. They’re so kind and good. Damn, the airline wants to charge me an extra seat for my goddamn crystals.

All kidding aside (was I kidding?) looking back at what L said these were truly calculated statements to rock you to the spiritual core, hook your soul, and keep you coming back. Hook, line, and sinker. I bought it completely. I was so frightened that I would be left behind.
I think the statement "Practice is over" and the possibility of being left behind scared so many people
As I look back at this grand manipulation, I just can’t help but be PISSED OFF.
How mean and cruel and punishing!
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As I look back at this grand manipulation, I just can’t help but be PISSED OFF.

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I know what you mean. The fabrication of a crucial time frame was a great abundance investment for the Orb & Co.'s New Age Luxury Fund.

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"I think the statement "Practice is over" and the possibility of being left behind scared so many people"

...and this admonition came from the same being that used to crack jokes about the idea that anyone would be left behind--remember that? The comic riffs about people being worried that they would "get to the door and find it closed"?

Everybody's going home, people, relax and have fun--but practice is over.

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You said: ...and this admonition came from the same being that used to crack jokes about the idea that anyone would be left behind--remember that? The comic riffs about people being worried that they would "get to the door and find it closed"?

This is so typical of the inconsistencies I am finding in the material. Unfortunately, such inconsistencies are invaluable to anyone who needs any type of rationalization to justify their view of the Lazaris material. After all, if he says something that doesn't sit right, just look a little further and there will surely be something that does sit right. Then, the original inconsistency can be conveniently forgotten.

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After all, if he says something that doesn't sit right, just look a little further and there will surely be something that does sit right. Then, the original inconsistency can be conveniently forgotten.

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I used to buy into the "consistency" propaganda when I was in the Orb trance. Now what I see is a lot of crazy-making. Not only with J/L's words, but the forum oppression and abuse, which continues to have true believers in the "no computo" mode because it's so incongruous with the material.

I heard Peny say, "We don't want to leave anyone behind" at a seminar. Of course, the covert message beneath the caring and concern is, "get with the program or suffer the consequences."

Leave anyone behind how indescribably absurd! The Orb & Co. steer followers every where but into the Self.

As for "practice is over", so the universe was just giving us time to learn, "You create your own reality" until 1990. Then suddenly it's do or die for a decade. How f***ing loving.

Jade