I see, you are defending your friends against having been insulted, by hurling completely vile insults. That makes a lot of sense.

I can't control it that your friends are insulted by my comments to them in objection to theirs that I am in negative ego, self-destructing, and acting just like Peny.

I didn't send out email to them full of cussing and accusations, nor did I send in my artillery to try to slash them down.

You and your friends have a strange sense of justice.

I asked your friend exactly what in your posts she is proud of, and I'm still wondering. I would be mortified to have a "friend" like you "defending" me.

Your friends need no defense against me and Ted Theo. They have not been insulted by me. They have been disagreed with on the most respectful of terms, and I have refused to cave in to emotional manipulations and pressure to get me to control who posts on this site and what is said here.

That they, like some of our other posters here don't know the difference is not my problem, no matter how much you try to make it so.

The simple solution to your friends problem is to stop reading here.

I suggest that you and your friends take a chill pill and practice some "mindful" thinking on issues other than human waste matter.

Your posts here are an embarrassment and an insult to all, but to no one more than you.

If you have something specific to complain about, please feel free to post it minus the potty talk.

Where are the insults against your friends? If you show me anywhere that I have insulted them, I will be most happy to apologize. I already have for the one insult which I did commit.

I wonder if you or them are willing to return the offer? It feels to me that you think it's fine for you to be as insulting as you like. Why is that?

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No one asked Chris for help to feel better, especially about an experience he doesn't share, or understand. In fact, several posters asked him to stop the fix- it stuff. I asked him to stop giving his authoritative advice and listen for a change. I asked him to stop talking down to people.

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It's okay to say that you want people to have free speech Katie--but part of the responsibility of having or granting free speech is listening to what people have to say even though you disagree with it.

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like I've said here before--"Hey, they took the material from the best sources." I just have a problem giving CS money when I don't like the way that they do business or the way that they treat their customers. They're despicable people as far as that goes.

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No Katie isn't perfect. Sometimes I think she is jumping the gun in a negative way about an individual.

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Anyway, I'm off to answer some more posts. I haven't been able to do anything but read for a few days so I have to answer a couple of people. I'm glad to hear your opinion too, and believe me-- --I still respect you even though it's different from mine. Have a great night.

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I'm having to wonder where both of you have been while my soul and marriage have been being judged here by your fair and impartial Chris who is just here to state his opinions and help us all.

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Katie, I care about how I interpret what someone is saying and not what your logs might say. I post to you from at least 4 different computers so your logs might say something different about me too. And Katie--it might surprise you but I get private e-mails too. People agree and disagree with me all the time but it doesn't mean that they have a hidden agenda or want to control my mind.

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I am at war here, and the stakes are my mind and freedom, and my desire and committment to provide a place for others to wage the same war on their own behalf. I will not play "nicey nice" or compromise myself and my beliefs and observations to do that, regardless of who is left feeling uncomfortable.

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Vicki, your sister is very much in a destructive mind controlled cult, and I am not so sure that you are as free of it yourself as you like to think.

If you are concerned about that I would suggest that you learn to practice a little more discrimination of thought. If you are blind to Chris's game here, you are also blind to the reasons and causes of your sister's indoctrinations.

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This site is for me a way of standing up against an oppression of my experience, and enhancing my understanding of how and why that oppression continues to flourish and have it's deadening influence on the minds and souls of good and sincere people like it has had on me, Ted, Jade, Audrey, your mother and your sister.

I am quite clear Vicki, that my efforts are not met with your approval.

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I am also clear that you are more concerned with Chris's feelings and rights than you are with mine, Ted's, Audrey's, Jade's or any of the other people who he subjected to Con:Sin like soul judgement and analysis.

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You don't have to like Chris, but you should have treated him with a little more respect. And you deserved that too. Chris doesn't have to like or agree with you--but he does have to give you respect--every single one of us deserves it. This post isn't about who's been right or wrong--since I'll tell you the truth as I--(and probably many others who don't have the guts to say it)--see it --you have both made mistakes and been really hurtful and rude to each other. Does this mean that you are horrible people? Nope. It means you're HUMAN, just like the rest of us, and you've both made mistakes and been misunderstood and done some of the misunderstanding.

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As far as why people come here--initially most people want ANSWERS about why they let themselves fall into that situation. They are looking for COMFORT that they aren't the only one's who let themselves be used or blinded. So for you to say:

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That is not welcomed here, this site isn't about finding ways to feel better without understanding what is making us feel bad, and why we are allowing it.

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When I said that part about the site, by the way, I meant that I know that you and Ted didn't only start this site as a way to sift through your feeling about L. Since there are numerous forums on the main page, I think that you can understand where I'm coming from. Focusing on things other than L isn't a manipulative matter, it's called getting on with your life and showing people that you are stronger for your experience. It's being a role model for other people who are just getting out of a mind-controlled situation. I don't see anything wrong with proving to people that life goes on, and that your the better for your experiences--both positive and negative.

I'll see you later.

About people feeling better: I certainly have no objection to people feeling better. I hope we all continue to feel better all the time.

However, there are healthy ways of feeling better and unhealthy ones. Drugs can make us feel better, denial can make us feel better - temporarily. Honoring our emotions and delving deep into our issues will make us feel better in the long run.

You had mentioned that Chris was trying to make people feel better by stating that, either we weren't hypnotized, or it couldn't do any significant damage and we gave tacit permission for it.

If we replace the word "hypnotize" with rape - which it certainly could be, on a soul level - this method of "feeling better" takes on a new meaning. Does one tell a rape victim that they weren't really raped, or it wasn't really that bad? Or they brought it on themselves by dressing provocatively or being in the wrong part of town? Add to that the alleged authority of a mental health practioner, clergyman, etc.

Yes, we have have a legal right to do that, and we have a right to do it on this board, which, for the most part functions within the parameters of the First Amendment - at least I would like it to. But there's a flip side - others have a right to speak their objections to that damaging speech. And that's what some of us did when Chris posted his authoritative discourse about how we were over-reacting to the idea that we may have been hypnotized against our will with dubious intention.

Perhaps Chris didn't intend to disrespect people's process. Perhaps he was truly trying to help people feel better. But when it was pointed out to him, he dug in his heels and escalated his assertions.

This is the kind of disruption to which I refered in the What's Going On? thread. It may look all nicey-nicey on the surface, but it is disrespectful and disruptive. We have every right and responsibility to respond to it.

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Perhaps Chris didn't intend to disrespect people's process. Perhaps he was truly trying to help people feel better. But when it was pointed out to him, he dug in his heels and escalated his assertions.

This is the kind of disruption to which I refered in the What's Going On? thread. It may look all nicey-nicey on the surface, but it is disrespectful and disruptive. We have every right and responsibility to respond to it.

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Aside from the logs, TedChris is the same style and stance. Just what TedV describes above.

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I can understand where you are coming from, but I never thought that he was trying to shove his opinions down everyone's throats.

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TedChris summarily dismisses all of the above in favor of his "interpretation." Discussion with him about the Lemurian information is disrupted by his disbelief in what L actually taught on this subject. TedChris grabbed a straw, but dumped the bale. His interpretations and arguments proceed from peering at this little piece of mythic hay. Yet, most of the teaching on Lemuria would either not make sense (like Lemurian past lives), or drastically lose impact (like Lemurian Dreamer) if it is only taken as myth.

Furthermore, TedChris must have "physical evidence" in order to accept that something is real. Not only is that contrary to the L material, it undermines the very premise of metaphysics. But TedChris will promote and persist in his position inspite of any "physical evidence" presented to him.

So here is TedChris, defending, interpreting the Orb's teaching as an "exchange of ideas." As Audrey would say, Sheeesh!!!!

And TedChris's parting shot at me,

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Few people here seem to have any grasp of reality. If any L deniers do, please get in touch with Jade. She needs some help right away.

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So much information has been presented on these threads about the damaging effects of sopping up this stuff, about what it does to thought processes, self esteem, individuality, and most importantly one's innate spirituality. I'm really surprised by your IMO blase` remark.

But I do appreciate your forthrightness.

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Please take the time to read this through before responding. You did not evidently read the post you responded to. If you choose to respond, I would appreciate if it was to what I wrote, not what you think I wrote, why I wrote it or how it "sounds". I would very much appreciate you responding to my words, as I have done to yours.

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Oh, so the name of the game is "who started it". No thanks. Go back and read the hypnosis thread Vicki, and please tell me what rotten things I said to Chris besides I don't agree with him, and provided documentation as to why. I'm dead tired of hearing about all the rotten names and terrible things I said to Chris, especially in the hypnosis thread.

[quote]Not all the time--like I said in my original post on this thread--I think that you both have made mistakes and that you both have been misunderstood and done some of the misunderstanding.

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Maybe it comes from hurt feelings, I don't know, I posted that I would miss him and I said in the post to Jade why.

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Can you think of any other reasons for people to disagree, be angry, or dislike each other? I did nothing to stop you from having a relationship with Chris, why do you have to miss him? Would you be happier to have him stay here inspite of the fact that a lot of others, including myself are happier to see him go?

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Katie, I care about how I interpret what someone is saying and not what your logs might say. I post to you from at least 4 different computers so your logs might say something different about me too.

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I'm aware that you post from several different computers Vicki. I probably know more about the computers you post from than you do. Maybe you don't care what our logs show us, but others do.

Ted and I have to review the logs to protect the security of this site, and in doing so we get a lot of information. On occasion I feel that it is important or helpful to share with others what our logs show us.

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And Katie--it might surprise you but I get private e-mails too.

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Why would that surprise me Vicki?

My mention of email is in conjunction with this site Vicki regarding what is involved in hosting it, and what kind of feedback we get. Why the sarcasm? If I played the Chris game I'd now be screaming that you are insulting me and being hateful and dishonest for saying that. Would you enjoy that Vicki?

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People agree and disagree with me all the time but it doesn't mean that they have a hidden agenda or want to control my mind.

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Do you really you believe that I think everyone who disagrees with me is trying to control my mind? I suppose you don't find that comment to be insulting.

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I never asked you to play "nicey nice" or to compromise yourself.

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I would dispute that. Your posts to and about me often suggest that I should be nicer or not respond to issues that are of no concern to you, or to which you have stated your opinion as though it is the final word, as in the hypnosis thread. How many times are you going to tell us that you agree with Chris that hynosis can't be abused, even though even Chris has now admitted that it can be? I think we are all clear on your opinion Vicki, but it doesnt mean that we all agree with you, and so the conversation should just stop.

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I stated my opinion that you and Chris could have been more respectful of each other. You can disagree with someone without making it a name calling mess. You and I disagreed on the hypnosis thread and we still came away from that without name calling and such--didn't we? That's what I mean--we each stated our opinions and basicly agreed to disagree. We're different people so we look at things differently.

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I don't even know where you are coming from here. Just exactly WHY would you think that I'm in a cult or a mind controlled situation? Because I don't think that Chris is an evil boogeyman? Give me a break--just because I disagree with you about something doesn't meant that I'm not using my mind Katie, and it's pretty rude of you to say that.

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It would be rude if I said that. You are putting words in my mouth and then telling me I'm rude for saying them. No Vicki,that is not what I said to you. Practice what you preach and read my post again. You missed, misinterpreted, and mistated a lot of what I said.

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I never said that I didn't approve of what you're trying to do--I said that sometimes it SOUNDS pretty darn rude and obnoxious.

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It sounds rude and obnoxious or it is rude and obnoxious?

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That's the only problem that I have ever said that I have here. And I never said it was only you, did I? Katie--it may come as quite a shock to you, but I RESPECT what you're trying to do, even though I don't always like your methods.

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I'm not enamoured of your methods either Vicki since we're being frank. I've chosen to not bring up your methods until now , but since you opened the door, there it is. I'm also not in any way clear that you know what I'm trying to do here.

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Well, soul judgement and analysis are out of my realm. I'm pretty sure that I haven't judged the state of anyone's soul or tried to analyze it.

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Knock knock Vicki! I was talking about Chris/TedC making soul judgements not you. You really have no fucking idea what any of this discussion has been about since the beginning have you? I believe you lectured me on another thread about reading through a post before responding. Have you read any of my posts to Chris? You keep saying that I called him names, how obnoxious I was to him, etc. but you don't even know what my issues with Chris and his posts are.

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I might have said that I thought that you were hurt by something in the hypnosis thread--but it's none of your business what I might think about your soul--and quite honestly--I don't care about anyone else's state of being.

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I never JUDGED the state of your soul--I judged some of the posts you made. They sounded pretty darn hateful.

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They sounded hateful, or they were hateful?

It's just as easy for me to say that your posts sound hateful Vicki. How would you like to respond to a statement that? You keep saying how things sound, but there is no sound here Vicki. Rather than listening for sound, why don't you read the words written and respond to them?

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But--I never said that you didn't have the right to say anything or that you had to post a certain way. I gave you my OPINION on it, that's all. I also recall that I said the same stuff about Chris--didn't I?

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As far as why people come here--initially most people want ANSWERS about why they let themselves fall into that situation. They are looking for COMFORT that they aren't the only one's who let themselves be used or blinded.

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I think it's very silly for you to state why everyone comes here. I know the reasons that the site is here Vicki, Ted and I put it up. Why anyone comes here is anyones guess unless they have specifically stated why, and given the numbers of lurkers we have, I would suggest to you that you don't have a clue. So, please do not tell me how silly you think I am for telling you why Ted and I put this site up and using your own speculations to substantiate that.

Also, you took my quote completely out of context, as I've noticed you doing on other threads as well. My comment was in regard to Chris trying to use our site to lull people into feeling just fine and dandy about having been subliminally manipulated by Jach fucking Purcell Vicki.

Maybe you don't care to understand why people get into and stay in mind controlled situations Vicki, but I do, and so do a lot of other people here. Jach uses hypnosis and we have every right to investigate and discuss what that means. Why do you and Chris object so strongly to that discussion? Because you don't agree? What the hell does your belief or agreement have to do with the rest of us pursuing a dialogue without someone constantly jumping in to stop it with absolute statements?

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You are just as full of therapeutic wisdom as Chris is Vicki. How about you allow for people to state their own needs? You are certainly not speaking for me when you make these statements.

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(For example, part of feeling better is realizing that hypnosis is not the totally scary thing that is portrayed on television. So, that is why I don't have a problem with what Chris said.

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Did you ever read any of the posts I linked you to Vicki? Did you ever read any of the Supreme Court rulings on hypnosis? Have you read any of the sites about implanted memories? Are you aware of the numbers of lawsuits, imprisonments, and ruined lives that have resulted from hypnosis? Or is that all just boogeyman paranoia on my part and not worthy of mention because you think hypnosis is fine? For the record, I never saw hypnosis portrayed as a scary thing on TV.

Oh, I forgot, you read a paragraph in a college text book, so you too are now an expert. Ok, I'll forget everything I read, and that I was repeatedly hypnotized against my will for twelve years by a con man, and just believe you and Chris. Will that make you think I'm nicer Vicki?

Excuse me for getting a bit pissed off Vicki, but I'm really having a hard time with this post of yours.

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Period FOR YOU Vicki, not for me. You are sounding more like Chris every second. No wonder you don't understand my objections to him. I suppose now I'm being horrible and mean to you too. Call in your troops and disrupt the site for the next 3 months.

Excuse me Vicki, but you are not the final word on hypnosis and the workings of the human mind. We have been posting volumes and volumes of thoughtful information and scientific research on all of these topics, but since you say so, I guess we should just can all that. No thank you Vicki. I do not accept you as the final authority on this topic any more than I do Chris, and I really resent your continued assertions on this topic spoken as fact, especially since they have been disputed here over and over with mountains of substantiation.

This is what I call the difference between "mindful" and "mindless" thinking Vicki. You are completely operating from a place of feelings and impressions, and not at all from any place of having even taken the time to understand what the issues and discussions are about. You have completely mischaracterized, minimized, trivialized, and ignored everything that has been said here in default of how some nonspecific comments "sound" to you.

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Somehow Vicki, people do seem to still come to this site, and I'm sick to death of you lecturing ME on people being dogged and torn apart. How about a lecture for your friend Theo? What are his posts, cuddly teddy bear security blankets? And on that topic, what exactly is he talking about when he says that Ted and I hurt his friends who he loves? The accusations are flowing fast and thick and I do wish someone would be specific about them rather than raising all these allegations and then proceeding as though they are facts.

I'll be honest with you Vicki, I consider your running commentary on me, to be extremely passive aggressive. You have not one time quoted back to me any of these terrible name calling insults that you continually refer to. When you do quote me, you often do so out of context, and even then completely misinterpret what I've said.
I don't find any of that to be very sweet and loving actually Vicki.

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When I said that part about the site, by the way, I meant that I know that you and Ted didn't only start this site as a way to sift through your feeling about L. Since there are numerous forums on the main page, I think that you can understand where I'm coming from. Focusing on things other than L isn't a manipulative matter, it's called getting on with your life and showing people that you are stronger for your experience. It's being a role model for other people who are just getting out of a mind-controlled situation. I don't see anything wrong with proving to people that life goes on, and that your the better for your experiences--both positive and negative.

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Vicki, neither Ted or I are here to be role models, and I think we know why we put up this site. We have nothing to prove, and it really isn't anyone's concern except ours whether we are better or worse for our experiences unless we care to share that.

I don't think you do have one clue why this site is here, what the arguments here have been about, or what is in my mind and heart, or anyone else's for that matter.

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There is more than enough "excuse" and reason for my deliberate insults towards Katie & Ted. Especially since they have insulted and hurt people I love.

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Ok, I'll bite. What? I've asked Vicki and Marilyn the same question. Do any of you have a response?

Not that there is any possible excuse for your really foul and pathetic behavior, by any standards of sanity or decency.

As far as Theo goes, I haven't seen or talked to him in weeks. While he is a good friend of mine, I have no control or respnosibility for what he says or does so I don't feel that I can say anything about what he is posting. I don't like the way he's wording things since it sounds really rotten, but I know him--and he will do what he wants. That is why I haven't talked about what he said.

I'm sorry that I misunderstood you on the part about the soul judgement. I realized it this morning after I re-read it and had to roll my eyes up at myself. However, that wasn't me--that was Chris using terminology that he knows and that you understand so that he could get his point across to you. I don't think that it was right, but it wasn't me. And Katie-you've done some judging yourself--I'm passive-aggressive? Wow--and here I thought I was trying to get my point or thought across in a manner that was polite and honest. Stupid me should have realized that I was just trying to manipulate everyone into seeing things the way I do. That's not who I am or what I'm about. I assumed we were supposed to be sharing our ideas and interpretations, whether good or bad.

I also just wanted to say that when I say that it sounds like something in here--that's the way that I'm hearing it in my head when I read people's posts. And guess what? It sounds awful. I'm not sorry for the fact that I'm trying to word my posts in a somewhat polite manner. In my opinion--and yes, it might only be my opinion--there's no need for being rude on purpose. You know, when I last posted, I was trying to tell you how I FEEL and think and interpret things here. I wasn't telling you how to operate--I wasn't judging YOU--and I definitely wasn't judging anyone else who came here--I don't judge people except by how they come across to others. But I also just accept that that's how they are--people are different and whatever--that's just who they are. I never tried to manipulate you or to tell you how to write did I?!! NO. I said that I might not like it but that you had a right to post your feelings and thoughts. Everyone does and that includes me. You don't have to agree with them all the time, (or even any of the time--LOL), but PLEASE don't tell me that I'm trying to be authoritative about something when I'm not. I have stated repeatedly that things are only my opinion or the way that I see them. It doesn't agree with yours--so what? We aren't stupid or rotten people, we just look at things differently. But obviously I'm in a different mind set if I interpret what people say different from you. Whatever. I'll try to come back later to show you how and where I think that you and Chris might have been less than kind to each other. I have to study for a final right now.

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And Katie-you've done some judging yourself--I'm passive-aggressive? Wow--and here I thought I was trying to get my point or thought across in a manner that was polite and honest. Stupid me should have realized that I was just trying to manipulate everyone into seeing things the way I do.

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Vicki, I believe I provided your direct quote. You have several times made a very emphatic statement that hypnosis is benign and cannot cause harm. You even used the word PERIOD, in caps, as though this is the end of the conversation. You are certainly welcomed to express your opinion on that, but I did also ask you several times if you had read or considered any of the counterpoint material which was offered. It's hard for me, and I would think others too, to hear a very strong and emphatic dispute of another point of view, and not even know if it is based on the information or "evidence" provided. It makes it seem pretty futile to take the time and energy to
research a topic in support of an opinion if there is no indication that the person holding an opposing view has even bothered to review the basis for the other opinion. It seems doubly frustrating when the work and energy is countered by a simple and final statement, issued as though it is the end of the conversation. What it sounds like to me is "I don't care what information you are reading, or why you have come to your conclusions, you are wrong, I am right, end of sentence." That's not a pleasant or productive form of debate for me.

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Yes, Vicki, I'm clear that is what you are saying. I'm asking that you go a step further and actually read the words and respond to those, rather than what you are just hearing in your head. If you play a little game with yourself, you might see what I mean. Read this post with the thought of me scowling and shouting. Then read it with the thought of me smiling and pouring you a cup of tea. The whole "sound" can change depending on how your imagination works to add or subtract. None of us can be responsible for how others imagine us to be feeling while writing a post. We can however very much be responsible for our words.

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Maybe I could use the example of our dear Steve (please don't leave, Exploder!). There have been so many times that his strongly worded super emphatic irreverant phrases have just rung with compassion and wisdom. Now, I'm not saying that Steve has never been rude, he has by his own admission and personal strategy. But many times his posts are not only not rude, but incredibly insightful, on the money, and oozing with caring and compassion. It's really sad if anyone misses that because they can't read past their own emotions about strongly worded posts. We all have our writing style and means of getting our points across Vicki.

There is a lot of research provided on the "Influence at Work" site which some of us have been reading on how and why people respond to information. I think it's an interesting read, if you are inclined. Much of the research illustrates the point I'm trying to make here. Humans are easily lulled into compliance or acceptance by words which "sound" rational, but upon examination are not rational in the least. I didn't actually need the research to prove that to me, I've been observing it all my life. I'm kind of proud of myself actually, that although I understand the dynamic, I try hard not to practice it. It is clearly identified as manipulation by those who have made an indepth study of such, and actually support the tactic. I prefer to speak as who I am, rather than who I would like people to think I am to get them to like me, agree with me, and do what I want them to do. In all honesty, I probably would achieve certain dubious successes if I were more willing to play the "gentle and polite" game. But that would be manipulation, and I'd prefer to take my successes honestly.

This is a big issue for me, and always has been. Do we really have to all put on the same bland and mellow unthreatening mask to get along? I hope and pray not. (I'm not accusing you of that Vicki, just illustrating my point. I don't find you bland at all.)

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Yes, I know that Vicki, and it isn't that I don't care about your feelings, I do, but I'm also interested in having my thoughts and words responded to. I am frustrated that you rarely if ever do that when posting back to me. We frequently get into your feelings, and in the end, there really is nothing I can do about your feelings, other than change my manner of communication to accomodate them, and I have just spoken to why I don't want to do that, and beyond that, think it would be a very bad and unproductive thing.

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I said that I might not like it but that you had a right to post your feelings and thoughts. Everyone does and that includes me. You don't have to agree with them all the time, (or even any of the time--LOL), but PLEASE don't tell me that I'm trying to be authoritative about something when I'm not.

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Yes, you do say on one hand that everyone has a right to post their feelings and thoughts, but I have to admit that I feel very boxed in by your consistant critiques of how I do that which are based soley on your feelings. I believe that you are very much attempting to define a style of communication that is comfortable for you and then complaining when your definition isn't met.

I have to say Vicki, that upon reflection, I believe that complaints about how posts sound to you and make you feel has been the bulk of your participation here, rather than any actual discussion of the issues and points raised. I have raised a lot of points to you, and asked you many many questions which have never been responded to.

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Whatever. I'll try to come back later to show you how and where I think that you and Chris might have been less than kind to each other. I have to study for a final right now.

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Good luck on your final, and your illustrations of specific instances of interactions which are objectionable to you will be most helpful and appreciated.

Katie