I’ve been out of the country for the past couple of weeks. I did receive Jach’s pronouncements about both Peny’s and Michaell’s death before I left. I have been reading most of what you all have been sharing since I returned. I know it’s way after the fact, but here are my thoughts added to the stew!!

I really wasn't surprised about Peny. I had felt that there was something *very* wrong since last summer when, on the forum, she became completely obsessed by Big Brother, the reality show. She had it on via the internet 24/7 and could talk about nothing else and tried to get everyone else involved. As I read her posts about it, I felt that this woman is heading for a major breakdown of some kind. The intensity of her obsession was manic and off the wall. Then, suddenly, she stopped posting altogether. There was nothing, especially during the elections. This site was growing in momentum, which, I understand, she was reading. Jach cancelled his west coast seminars about this time, probably to be close to Peny. It was also very strange that around Peny's birthday, there were many greetings to her on the forum, but none from the Orlando Gang or Jach. Then we have news of her death.

I felt and do feel that Peny was/is a very restless soul and never found any real peace anywhere, although she kept moving around the country to find it. I felt that she was desperately trying to hide from the world and to escape from it by creating a large body to help shield her from perceived dangers. She built a massive estate... almost a castle with walls and moat to compound her trying to hide from a world that she couldn't completely control. She surrounded herself with people whom she *could* control. As they refused to be controlled, they left and were forbidden to attend seminars. It seemed that very little actually worked for her to bring her peace including the teachings of “Lazaris” because the teachings never reached her heart and soul. She approached everything very cerebrally!! Her intellectual brilliance, I feel, stood in the way of fully being able to embrace the essence of *spiritual* teachings, wherever they may have come from. She knew the letter of the teachings, cerebrally, but I never felt that she embraced nor embodied their *spiritual* nature. I think she was a very lonely, brilliant woman who had no capacity to love or to be loved. She had no personal relationship skills. She had to assume complete and total control, and, as “Lazaris” says, the price you pay for control is the loss of love. She ruled by fear. I feel that her paranoia, which is the deterioration of a 6 (which I am, also and understand very well) consumed her. She was also vengeful saying, "We never forget!" .... implying that "we never forgive any slight." Interestingly enough, the integration of a 6 is to establish peace... the Peacemaker. The disintegration is the Achiever. She was always trying to “achieve” something, as far as I can see. I feel that all of this has resulted in basic cult behavior and that C/Synergy, the organization, has every symptom of being cultish, as we have discussed so many times here.

Jach's attempt at glorifying their deaths to me, reeks of cult mentality. Jach is a very personable man, but also is a very shrewd salesman. I feel that his explanations of the deaths of Peny and Michaell were selling the "faithful" an image that simply was and is *not* there. I don't feel that she led a triumphant life nor that Michaell's love for Peny was so beautiful that he had to follow her by mutual contract!! What a crock that is, IMVVVHO.... it reeks of control to the end and control *of* the end. I'm reminded that “Lazaris”... and others... have said that "The end does not justify the means!"

I feel very sorry for Jach being left bereft and having to mop up after the mess. How hard it must be for him to undergo a police investigation. I *do* feel deep compassion for him and what he's going through.

This is not a pretty picture and, I feel, shouldn't be painted to look like one!! I feel frankly that Peny's life was certainly *not* triumphant. Where was the love? Where was the forgiveness? Where was the spirituality? I only find damage and devastation left in the wake of her legacy. Literally hundreds of people have been hurt by her. This isn't a legacy that I feel is measured in terms of Triumph!! (For those who didn’t read Jach’s pronouncement, he stated that Peny had led a triumphant life).

Thus, I posit the question: If this is where the teachings of “Lazaris” lead, is it anything I choose to follow? The question gives great pause for thought!!

Now, through all of this, when I heard of Peny’s death, I felt an immediate rush of love for her... not a love *from* me, but a love *through* me to help her open to a higher love, to a more peaceful soul, and to a more understanding spirit. I hope she finds the Love and Peace that she seeks and that “Lazaris” always continued to pronounce.

Now, dear friends, please feel free to disagree with all or any of the above!! I have put quotation marks around “Lazaris” as a source of information for those who may or may not believe in his reality. This post comes from the depths of my integrity and heights of my perception... as I feel it and see it.

Crystal

I am glad to see your posts. You have an amazing knack to "crystalize" the heart of the issue.

I have really thought and thought about all of this. IMO Lazaris IS real but I'm coming to think that Jach is not always a clear channel. I've been to too many seminars and watched too much. I just don't think Jach could fake it. I have personally had some amazing miracles in my life using the teachings. Could they have come anyway? Probably. But that was the vehicle I had to go with at the time. And that vehicle got me there in grand order, and still does. Is that the only vehicle I use now? No.

Now, having said that we come back to your query, about if this is the teaching of Lazaris, who wants to be involved?

WDYT?

Welcome back, I've been thinking about you.

You and Jade both escaped during the big heat!

It's great to read your thoughts, I fully agree with everything you've written.

When I met Peny at the Millennium, I was stunned by her coldness. I later realized that it was evidently very difficult for her to meet people, and look them in the eye.

It is now apparent to me that it wasn't really coldness I experienced, it was defensiviness. It was as though she had thrown up some invisible hands to cover her face. Now I understand why Jach sat so closely with his arm around her, holding her hand, and the whole Gang hovered close by.

All that power and strength we heard about was just reduced to the site of a scared "little" queen being protected by her minions. For all her size, she behaved and lived like a spoiled out of control little child.

You are so correct that there was nothing triumphant about Peny's life, and it certainly should not be painted as though it were.

This was a woman of great potential, yet we have not one report of her having accomplished anything in her life of any importance or significance.

Lazaris tells us that Peny was here out of a profound compassion and love for humanity, that she had important work to do.

Where is one indication that Peny ever did a days work in her life?

I do often wonder if reading on this site didn't cause her to sink into a deep state of frustration. She tried and tried, but could not find any way to shut this site down.

All of a sudden, Peny's greatest fears were realized, she was being exposed, discussed, theorized about and she had no ability to control that. It must have driven her close to the edge, if not completely over it.

I don't say that because I get any sense of satisfaction out of the thought. I believe I always harbored the hope that maybe our site would inspire some kind of resolution for her and for us.

I believe that everyone of us here would have preferred that, and that news of her death has been shocking and disturbing to all of us. It goes without saying that Michaell's was.

The official Con:Sin word on this site is that we are full of hate and bad energy. I don't think it is an indication of hatred actually, that so many of us have taken so much time to figure things out and discuss them. I think we all are looking for some humanity in all of this, certainly our own, even if we are not able to find signs of life within Con:Sin.

Maybe the sense of resolution can be found in honoring Peny's life for what it was, rather than for how Jach would like to paint it to have been. Maybe in the reality we can find the humanity.

Thanks so much for writing! Your post is "Crystal Clear".

Katie

Glad you flew by!

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IMO Lazaris IS real but I'm coming to think that Jach is not always a clear channel. I've been to too many seminars and watched too much. I just don't think Jach could fake it. I have personally had some amazing miracles in my life using the teachings. Could they have come anyway? Probably. But that was the vehicle I had to go with at the time. And that vehicle got me there in grand order, and still does. Is that the only vehicle I use now? No.

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I find it difficult to feel that Jach could keep on faking all of this through the years. I, too, have been helped by the teachings that have come through, wherever they may have come from. However, like you, these teachings were not the only ones that I have explored. I have found a balance in many varied avenues and approaches.

I completely agree with you. There are times when Jach is a clearer channel for the energy to come through than others and I especially feel that the filters are strongest when it comes to Peny. Jach was/is deeply in love with Peny by his own admission. It is possible that this love, adoration, verging on idolatry, distorted the message. It also may be possible that Jach, Peny, and Michaell sat around and cooked up the whole production. I don't know whether it can ever be proved one way or another that Lazaris is indeed a high, spiritual entity who came to talk to Peny. However, I tend to look at the fruitage of the lives of those involved as a reflection of what is truly going on. As I look at the lives of those close to Peny and the life of Peny, herself, I pause to wonder.

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Now, having said that we come back to your query, about if this is the teaching of Lazaris, who wants to be involved?

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LOL... I posed the question to see what others might feel. I feel deeply that, with any teaching, whatever its source, it's always very important to separate the message from the messenger in order to keep from falling into the cult trap, the guru trap, the idolatry trap. A balanced detachment, to me, is of utmost importance in approaching a teaching, a philosophy, a body of knowledge put forth by anyone.

With Lazaris, it was a bit different. He kept insisting that he was a friend and *not* a teacher or guru. Yet, most all of us made him into teacher, guru, oracle.

As we separate the teachings from the teacher, find what resonates deeply within ourselves, enlightens our souls and ignites our spirit, independent of person, place, thing, or entity, we will then find our way on our own unique spiritual path.

If we are bound and attached to person, place, thing, or entity, I feel we immediately have lost our way and are open and vulnerable to devastation.

There's much to explore in this arena!! Thanks for opening the door!!

Crystal

Thanks so much for your response!! It's good to travel, but it's great to Come Home!

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I do often wonder if reading on this site didn't cause her to sink into a deep state of frustration. She tried and tried, but could not find any way to shut this site down.

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This wouldn't surprise me in the least. Here was her worst nightmare from which she couldn't awaken... nor could she control. Through the years, she has always been very fearful of what she perceived to be a "shadow forum." This idea seemed to haunt her and she mentioned it on numerous occasions.

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I always harbored the hope that maybe our site would inspire some kind of resolution for her and for us.

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It did offer her a mirror to see herself objectively, to take a good long look, and to work through the issues that have been presented. I don't think anyone has ever been completely truthful with her for fear of her anger.

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The official Con:Sin word on this site is that we are full of hate and bad energy. I don't think it is an indication of hatred actually, that so many of us have taken so much time to figure things out and discuss them. I think we all are looking for some humanity in all of this, certainly our own, even if we are not able to find signs of life within Con:Sin.

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LOL... Also, someone mentioned that Jach has forbidden anyone within C/synergy from reading this site. Yet another cult gesture emerges!

Speaking of constricting and negative hatefilled energy, I don't know what they would call the trashing and thrashing, lashing and gnashing that has gone on within the confines of their site!!

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Maybe the sense of resolution can be found in honoring Peny's life for what it was, rather than for how Jach would like to paint it to have been. Maybe in the reality we can find the humanity.

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May it be so!!!

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LOL... Also, someone mentioned that Jach has forbidden anyone within C/synergy from reading this site. Yet another cult gesture emerges!

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Are you kidding? Where did this info come from? Is it possible that Jach actually attempts to wield that kind of control,and that everyone would go for it?

Hmmm...interesting that he would forbid others from doing what Peny herself did.

For a long time I followed logs for this site that indicated a computer which often logged in from Florida, and once showed the identifier "indigo" was visiting this site obsessively for the first few months. I'm talking 24/7, logging in on one ISP, logging out and back in again on another. There were several posts and emails from that computer also.

A few months ago those logs slowed down quite a bit.

I haven't been following the logs as closely as I once did, but I have noticed that computer has paid us several visits of late.

It also occurred to me that if Con:Sin is on a network that all their computers might look identical.

I could spend my whole life trying to figure all that out, but to what purpose?

Too bad if anyone follows Jach's orders on this. Maybe if he keeps issuing enough of them even the hard core will get fed up and crave some fresh air.

Katie

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Are you kidding? Where did this info come from? Is it possible that Jach actually attempts to wield that kind of control,and that everyone would go for it?

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You know, Katie, I really don't remember where I read this. I came home to 250 posts in my Compuserve inbox and 158 in my netscape box, fortunately most were duplicates. I scanned most of them, many talking about the deaths of Peny and Michaell, and at this moment have no idea where the source of this information originated.

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Hmmm...interesting that he would forbid others from doing what Peny herself did.

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This exercise of control would make me immediately run for the nearest computer to log on to find out what he was trying to hide!!

I think that in all probability there was someone who was monitoring everything that was going on here on this site, Katie. It was either Peny herself or one of the gang who was assigned to do so to report back to Peny, Jach, or Michaell.

They did probably network their computers so that it would not be possible to trace the source in your logs. However, it's obvious that there was and probably is a great deal of interest and curiosity about the activity here. Maybe they'll learn something from it and be able to free themselves... just maybe!!

Crystal

About Peny,

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Her intellectual brilliance, I feel, stood in the way of fully being able to embrace the essence of *spiritual* teachings, wherever they may have come from.

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IMO, she missed out on a lot more than "fully being able to embrace the essence of spiritual teachings", more like she barely touched it.

And have to say this "intellectual brilliance" has only been made apparent to me in her little autobio, "Pathways" (see link on C:S site) which is poorly written and in which she can't quite get over herself. I think the megalomania, manipulation, exploitation, greed, and control were the real blockages. From what I have experienced and know of her, any intent to grow spiritually was way down on her priority list, if there at all. This isn't to say there was no good in her, but whatever good she had was far outweighted by the negative. She set herself up to be powerful, and then she abused it.

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With Lazaris, it was a bit different. He kept insisting that he was a friend and *not* a teacher or guru. Yet, most all of us made him into teacher, guru, oracle.

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What "Lazaris" says and what "Lazaris" does are two different things. What he does is promote himself as the ultimate teacher for the ultimate human spirits (mapmakers). There are more tapes, seminars (until recently) and stuff to buy than any channel I have heard of. Why all the marketing for this "friend." We've been through the seductive, addictive, cult like aspects of the "Lazaris" and C:S many times on this site. Also, we have seen much fear when it comes to questioning, and separating off from L. I think "we made him into" a guru oracle because that is precisely the caluculated effect "Lazaris" and C:S planned for L's "friends."

I too came home from a trip to find a dizzying amount of posts to catch up on. And these days, keeping up daily takes a while.

Jade

Welcome back!! I hope you enjoyed your time in Hawaii and brought back some more of those adorable leaping dolphins!! I only wish I knew how to capture one for my posts!!

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IMO, she missed out on a lot more than "fully being able to embrace the essence of spiritual teachings", more like she barely touched it.

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Oh, I completely agree with all you say and appreciate your adding these dimensions to the profile!

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What "Lazaris" says and what "Lazaris" does are two different things. What he does is promote himself as the ultimate teacher for the ultimate human spirits (mapmakers). There are more tapes, seminars (until recently) and stuff to buy than any channel I have heard of. Why all the marketing for this "friend." We've been through the seductive, addictive, cult like aspects of the "Lazaris" and C:S many times on this site. Also, we have seen much fear when it comes to questioning, and separating off from L. I think "we made him into" a guru oracle because that is precisely the caluculated effect "Lazaris" and C:S planned for L's "friends."

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Oh, there's not a doubt about the power of the cult mentality and the fear that it breeds. There's no question about the marketing strategies that C:S used and uses. We've all been brought into the mesmeric influence of needing tapes and seminars. However, we are awakening to our own empowerment and thus stepping into the freedom of knowing that we are no longer victims following the partyline but are fully engaged and empowered free-thinkers who can take from the teachings whatever is useful. Each of us is stepping into the freedom of our own spiritual autonomy. However, I feel that we take with us what is useful to us on our spiritual path and leave the residue behind.

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I too came home from a trip to find a dizzying amount of posts to catch up on. And these days, keeping up daily takes a while.

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Wheee... ain't that the truth!!

Thanks so much for your input, Jade!!

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What he does is promote himself as the ultimate teacher for the ultimate human spirits (mapmakers).

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My imagination runs silly at times, so if you or someone has something to enlighten, I'd appreciate it.

I would like to put a stop to this rumor about Jach forbidding CS members from reading/posting on this board. As I promised, I did an extensive search of message archives and there is NO mention of this web site or any "shadow" forum. I searched all of Jach's messages and private emails to members and again NOTHING even remotely resembling what you're saying here.

Let's be fair.

Are you reading these posts? What was first said was that the rumor is that Jach has forbidden Con:Sin employees from reading on our site.

I misread that, and asked you if he was giving those instructions to forum members. You answered, and I don't see that anyone has missed that.

The posts here about that topic are discussing how stupid it would be for Jach to do that, not statements that he has done it.

You seem to be reading a lot of things into these posts that aren't here.

Trust me, those of us who are critical of Con:Sin don't need to make anything up. We have plenty of indisputable facts to hang our hats on.

It's good though to be corrected if a misstatement is made, no problems with that on this end.

Yes, let's be fair!

Relax bro!

Katie

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I would like to put a stop to this rumor about Jach forbidding CS members from reading/posting on this board. As I promised, I did an extensive search of message archives and there is NO mention of this web site or any "shadow" forum. I searched all of Jach's messages and private emails to members and again NOTHING even remotely resembling what you're saying here.

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Welcome.

I just want to interject here that the idea that Jach had prohibited anyone from reading this website was offered as a rumor, nothing more.

Another thought:

The forum archives are edited. They do not contain everything that was ever posted.

The entire "forum storm" section has been deleted by CS. If you search for the incident that Ted and Katie describe in the introductory pages, you won't find it there.

They may have edited out several other episodes.

Further, if you think about it, there wouldn't be any sense at all in them drawing attention to a website that criticizes them so openly.

If Jach has made such a demand of his employees, nobody would ever hear about it.

Cheers,

"Mesmeric influence' is an excellent descriptive phrase. And "spiritual autonomy" has a sweet ring too it.

If you want to use this,

Click the icon on the right at top of this post to see/copy the code for "flippa."

Here's another water buddy,

Jade

Some fun stuff there Jade, I found Jach practicing his Lazaris act.

With Lava and peas,

Katie

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I'm haven't been an intimate follower but I understand that sometime in the not too distant past (perhaps the Millenium celebration) L. promoted everyone from mapmaker to magician. Me thinks there's a story here, certainly food for much speculation (like if this was the first time attending, I would think the promotion might deserve a bit more time in grade, what is the criteria for making the grade, etc.).

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That's an interesting point. Actually, Jachzaris covered his bases on that by telling us that there would be those who would just evolve instantly, people who hadn't done all the work for years who would appear and be just as, if not more spiritually advanced than those of us who had been processing and programming for years. He warned us not to be jealous...something to do with resonance, or as you suggest more likely something to do wit wanting to sell crystals to everyone, not just the long time faithful.

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The darker side of me speculates about the growing business in crystals, the focus on Merlin / Arthur, and as some have pointed out, the declining number of "insights" of relevance when compared to the earlier material.

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Nothing at all dark about speculating.

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Many here have speculated about the nature of this transition suggesting the L. has left the house, leaving behind C/S to figure out how to continue the cash flow without the cash cow.

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Something has left the house, my speculation is that it's Jach's imagination. How much bull crap can one human being shovel in a lifetime? I suggest that in a just universe we each only get so much to fling around, and that Jach has long since used up his share.

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My imagination runs silly at times, so if you or someone has something to enlighten, I'd appreciate it.

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Ummm...I'm out of enlightenment at the moment, but Ted has a pile of tie-dyed turbans he's trying to unload.

Katie

Love the graphics! (and the dialogue, of course) You guys are great!

If real, many explanations and perhaps apologies are needed. Someone needs to be brutally honest with themselves and take the appropriate responsability.

If not real, does it not become our responsability to put a stop to it ASAP?

I like your ideas. I fancy a picket line, leaflets and an information table in front of the Orlando hotel. Maybe another table with reasonably priced crystals.

I doubt Jach or anyone at C:S going to take responsibility. Main thing is for it to end. It's likely that they will bring themselves down.

"Forever and a day."

Jade

Since you asked, I'm "just talk". I don't minimize the power of that one bit though.

If I thought Con:Sin gave one whit about me, I probably wouldn't be here. I was shocked when I learned through my personal dealings with them of their coldness and complete lack of caring.

As time passed, and more information has come, I've learned that they hold followers in complete and utter contempt, and don't really try very hard to hide the fact.

Some here have heard the words of shameless and gleeful contempt toward individuals who believe themselves to be friends directly from Peny's mouth.

Truly, the contempt of that group knows no bounds, nor does their ability to justify and rationalize themselves to a panting group of mind controlled sycophants. If they can sell suicide as a noble and loving act, they are still very much on the game board.
Why would they care about any petitions?

Sooner or later, people with even an ounce of self-respect or common sense will take their leave from that rotten group.

To me, control is the issue. I no more seek to try to control them than I wish to have them control me. No one can enforce decency upon another no matter how much we wish we could. I think that all attempts to control others begin with noble intentions.

I believe that Peny's early death was due to her obsession with control. All control freaks suffer from intense frustration due to their inability to control everyone all the time. It is a sickness, and as we now see, it is a deadly one. I don't wish to become contaminated, not even for a good cause.

One thing I have learned in spades of late is that anything that is gained through control and manipulation isn't worth having. Or should I say it better, nothing worth having can be gained through manipulation and control? I think Peny's life is a testament to that.

I don't know that we have any responsibility for those who remain in the fold. I don't feel any. We all have the ability to think and respond, no one can do that for another.

I do care that people are being manipulated, shamed, and lied to, and the best way I can think to express that is to say it in a public place where anyone who chooses to can
have the opportunity to evaluate what I have to say.

Some people will always find a tyrant to rule their lives, and some will always find others to lord themselves over. That is the way of a dysfunctional world.

I sure as hell don't know how to fix that and it doesn't seem that the Lazaris materials have been much help.

I can only work to fix myself.

I believe that it would be a futile act of misplaced heroism to try to force any response or actions from Con:Sin.

Lazaris would define it as playing the Savior.

I would, however, sure as hell love to be a fly on the wall at the next seminar.

Actually, as I recall, some of us have discussed plans for meeting up in Orlando donned in caftans, big wigs and loud make-up to stage our demonstration at a seminar. I think we're planning to set up a table for the sale of Smiley Crystals and other profitable (cheap, useless,overpriced, but fun) mystical baubles.

Maybe Ted can get some use out of those tie dyed turbans after all!

If I'm not mistaken, I think we've had a few wanna be gurus amongst us also. Might as well take them along for the ride too.

Hell, if you can't beat 'em, join 'em I say!

Sorry my post degenerated into silliness, I'm having an insomnia attack.

What is up with tonight? I can't sleep and my cats are going crazy?

Thanks for your thoughts Wayne, I sense your outrage and understand it. I have just given my reasons for not wishing to proceed as you suggest, but I speak only for myself.

This site is my official act of protest against Con:Sin. It's up to them how to respond to it.

Katie

I should have known I'd find my night owl friend here!

So, we're still on for our Orlando picket line?

I'm teasing my wig as we speak.

While hanging out with the owls I found another pic of Jach, caught out of costume.....snacking

Katie

Regarding Wayne's question about putting pressure on Con;sin, I agree with Katie (couldn't have expressed it any better)
We don't have responsibility for others, it is a cult, and looking into the link Jeremiah supplied that has the 10 points you see that those who have left are considered evil.
I've seen this b-4 ,and do imagine we'd see it in Orland.
Some of those people can be pretty NASTY on the web, I'd hate to be on the receiving end of any wrath in PERSON!!! yikes!!!

Like ever try taking a drink outta the hands of a raging drunk alcoholic???

I do think Katie is correct we are putting quite a bit of pressure on Jach with this site. We already see the beginnings of Jach's hold on reality crumbling, the way he's currently mis-managing the issue of the deaths, the lack of communication with the fold etc.
Some strong cult leaders would have used these time to re-double their efforts, and ammped UP their rhetoric, speeches, authority etc. this is not what we see happening I think that points to extreme weakness now.
Time will tell...don't throw away those caftans YET...
Not sure if a trip below the mason/dixon line is worth it except for two things!
..............KEY LIME PIE......
OH, MY GAWD.. YUMMMM...
....coupled with a swim in Key west...in those warm/crystal clear blue waters..double yumm..
but hey... only after hurricane season pleeze

Come to Santa Cruz, I'll make you a Key Lime Pie, but don't tell Steve!!!

Our local produce market has a big bushel of those tiny little key limes in stock right now!

Santa Cruz waters aren't very warm, but I can fill up one of those little blow up swimming pools for ya. I think I have a few of those wind up dolphins lying around somewhere too. Hell you can play with my other toys too!

Or, if that isn't good enough, maybe I can invite one of your long lost buddies

I wonder what he's got on his mind?

FELIX.........she squeeels.......

well, you know you don't have to tempt me with key lime pie in order to visit... but I wouldn't turn it DOWN!! heh heh

You know,...I actually have a great recipe for a TOFU based Lime pie, BUT althought it is totally yummmy and great and very low fat,...it still needs a thickner, for which I have always used bovine hoof junk aka "gelatin"

I DO need to experiment with kudzu or the like, and after I get that down pat , I'll give you the recipe and see if you think it's as good as I do.
Well, the crust, that's always fatty eh.... I can't get away from flakey crusts!!!!!

I 'll give you a head's up when I get my act together to come visit!!!

c,u, soon
Audrey

LOL Snackin' Jach -- sometimes a picture does say more than a thousand words. Cool birds. I remember this is your favorite.

Jade

Ohhh, it's Tweetie!! He's all excited about seeing Audrey's Puddy Tat!!

I think I hear him saying "you pay you pay forever and a day".

Tanks for da pwetty wittle birdie!

Katie

Audrey, I DO believe that I have some responsability for the cult if one exists (and I now believe that a cult is the most likely scenerio) for the following reasons: 1)I have actively promoted this material for at least 15 years. 2)I financially supported this material for at least five years with many purchases from c/s. 3) I have, at least in hindsight, allowed myself to bury too many issues that were directly contrary to the teachings as I saw them. Although I thought that these would not have impact on me, they have had impact on the concensus reality we have created.

We have all been played, and we need to stand up for ourselves. I do not fear evil, online nor off. In fact I do not even support much of a belief in evil. And yes, I have taken drinks away from drunks.

Maybe if all those investigative reporters in Florida are done covering the recount of presidential election votes they might be interested in looking into Concept:Synergy. The recent deaths of two of the main leaders would provide an angle. This site would be a good place to start researching.

Not everyone who might have exposure to Lazaris & Co. has access to the Internet or this site, and getting info out through the press would reach a different audience.

Yours,
Melinda

P.S. Wayne, I agree with you about taking responsibility. Fresh air and sunshine has a cleansing, purifying effect. It may be that exposing Concept:Synergy to a little more fresh air and sunshine will do a lot of good.

They also sold some of my jewelry pieces on consignment for several years. However, they kept the source to themselves. In other words, I couldn't include a tag with my work that had my web site or other information. But of course all of their merchandize that I sold had directions to Control:Synergy Central. Stopped doing business with them because I didn't want to be associated after realizing that "Lazaris" only exists as a shady business enterprize.

"Lazaris" and C:S got the benefit of my sincere and enthusiastic support for a long time. Now they are equally entitled to my sincere enthusiasm for spreading the ugly truth.

Read about a woman who posed as a dying (of cancer) 16 year old on the internet. Apparently she had quite a following. After she "died", a couple of individuals investigated some incongruities. Turned out the whole thing was faked by a middle aged woman. A lot of people were very angry, her excuse was that she thought she had helped a lot of people -- while she was getting all that attention and energy. Twisted stuff.

Jade

Jade

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Are you serious?

Wayne,

Yes, I must admit that you do make a very good argument. I don't know what good any letters to Con:Sin would do though.

If you read up on cults, which I recommend all to do, (know the enemy) you will find that most of them have a mindset that all those who leave the fold are evil.

I've come to realize that anyone who can pull of a long running scam like this is a sociopath. Like this woman who Jade mentions who thinks she helped a lot of people by lying to them and manipulating them.

Sociopaths and megalomaniacs don't change because people don't like them. They just further insulate and create hate campaigns against their critics. They have absolutely no conscience for their own responsibilities or the rights of others.

The only cure for a cult is for all the members to leave, or for the leaders to be forcibly stopped from doing what they are doing. There is an article at: http://www.factnet.org/coercivemindcontrol.html which defines and discusses coercive mind control tactics.

A few excerpts:

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In such a program the subject is forced to adapt in a series of tiny "invisible" steps. Each tiny step is designed to be sufficiently small so the subjects will not notice the changes in themselves or identify the coercive nature of the processes being used. The subjects of these tactics do not become aware of the hidden organizational purpose of the coercive psychological program until much later, if ever. These tactics are usually applied in a group setting by well intentioned but deceived "friends and allies" of the victim. This keeps the victim from putting up the ego defenses we normally maintain in known adversarial situations.

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Coercive psychological systems violate our most fundamental concepts of basic human rights. They violate rights of individuals that are guaranteed by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution and affirmed by many declarations of principle worldwide.

By confusing, intimidating and silencing their victims, those who profit from these systems evade exposure and prosecution for actions recognized as harmful and which are illegal in most countries such as: fraud, false imprisonment, undue influence, involuntary servitude, intentional infliction of emotional distress, outrageous conduct and other tortious acts.

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So, the question is on the table here. Is Jach violating the law by perpetrating this scam, and if so, how could that be proved?

From where I'm sitting, finding the answer to this question would be the most responsible way to pursue a protest against Con:Sin.

Of course, you realize that even if Jach were found guilty of First Amendment rights violations and sent to prison for them, he would still have faithful and true followers.

Anyway, I'm interested in what others might think about whether or not Jach is guilty of
perpetrating psychologial coercion.

I highly highly recommend that everyone who reads here get out on the net and start reading up on mind control.

I realize that some no doubt believe that I am over stating the case, but please, read, read, read, and think, think, think!

The thought is just as disturbing, shocking, and abhorrent to me as it is to anyone. I take no pleasure finding new and groovy ways to trash Jach Pursel and Con:Sin.

I do take great pleasure in understanding mind control though, because in doing so, I know that it will never happen to me again.

Anyway Wayne, I hope you will use some of your zeal to do your homework, and let us know your thoughts on this.

As to counters, it would be hard to put counters on each page, there are so many of them, and new ones being created every day.
People come to the site from different places, so there is no opening page or start page that would show each new visitor.

Also, I like to leave it to Con:Sin's speculations as to how many of their followers are reading here. That is information I'm happier to let them just wonder about. I think it's pretty clear that I'm not making it up when I say a lot of people are reading here.

Back when we first started the board we used to get email from the devoted talking about our "little handful of pouting posters".

I think anyone can know that we are much more than a little handful.

The stats for this message board have far exceeded our wildest imagination, and that is largely due to Con:Sin itself. Day in and day out they help us by continuing to demonstrate that no one here is making anything up about them, and that most of the issues raised here are very valid ones.

Ted and I started this site with only our own experience, a bit of provocative information, and a lot of speculation. To date, not only have our speculations proven to be accurate, but they too have been far exceeded by factual testimony.

Con:Sin is bad bad news, and if they weren't this site would not be flourishing.

Thanks for your sprinkle of passionate outrage Wayne! I think it's a very good thing.

You know I wonder if the second email from Jach saying Lazaris and CS does not condone suicide was in response to emails. Frankly I'm surprised some poor unsuspecting soul hasn't posted in the forum asking about the web site. Or maybe ask at the next on line conference about it.

The thing is, we have no idea what goes on behind the scenes. I do think there are some people willing to question them. Not many though.

I always enjoy your posts!

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I wonder if the second email from Jach saying Lazaris and CS does not condone suicide was in response to emails.

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I have the feeling that CS's stable of lawyers told Jach that he had better get out a disclaimer after having glorified Michaell's suicide so that if others were to follow suit, he would then not be liable, but this is just my feeling about it. Knowing as we do, CS is always mindful of their "image" and eager to keep it "controlled," for wont of a better word! I feel that his disclaimer post was a very calculated move to keep him from any possible legal complexities down the line.

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Frankly I'm surprised some poor unsuspecting soul hasn't posted in the forum asking about the web site. Or maybe ask at the next on line conference about it.

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It's very possible that there have been forum queries about it, but, as controlling as they are, those queries would never see the light of day in their forum... just as there is now no trace nor evidence of any "Forum Storm" in their archives. As for the next on line conference, I think that Terry screens all questions before allowing them to reach Jach. A question like that would never pass his censoring eye, IMVVHO!

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The thing is, we have no idea what goes on behind the scenes. I do think there are some people willing to question them.

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It's very possible that people *have* questioned them, but I doubt that any "unauthorized" information would ever become public unless or until someone from inside the compound would take hold of their own inner integrity and let out and get out the truth.

However, they're all held in such tight bonds of fear and control that I shan't hold my breath on this one!

Thank you. I, too enjoy your posts. The post your wrote about Peny's death and the apparent state of her life as she died was extraordinary. Anyone who thinks that CS, because they have better access to Lazaris, has all the answers, should read your post.

Yes, perhaps you are right. If someone did commit suicide as a triumphant act just like Michaell, it could pose liability issues for CS.

But you know Crystal, one thing that Lazaris said (or perhahps it was Jung) that I bet everyone will agree with...."that which you refuse to deal with, comes back at you disguised as fate." So all of this secrecy and control and greed will come back around. Guaranteed.

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Bluebird