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But you know Crystal, one thing that Lazaris said (or perhahps it was Jung) that I bet everyone will agree with...."that which you refuse to deal with, comes back at you disguised as fate." So all of this secrecy and control and greed will come back around. Guaranteed.

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You're truly right about that. There are certain unassailable universal laws and this is one of them. This law is in operation right now, and there are those involved who could not deal with it. Many times death is an escape instead of an exciting forward moving adventure.

There is so much to think about, while maintaining our own spiritual clarity. What fun it is to share our insights as they arise!!

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The thing is, we have no idea what goes on behind the scenes. I do think there are some people willing to question them. Not many though.

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We do know some of what goes on behind the scenes, through the information provided to us by people who have been there.

What we know is that the behind the scenes dynamic makes the Forum look like a picnic on a sunny day.

We know that anyone who dares to ask questions is/was subjected to sometimes hours of "loving" intervention to get them back on track. It has been stated about Peny that she once proudly announced that she didn't mind staying up all night if she had to in the interest of "clearing up" any
issues or problems.

People who have been subjected to these love fests have reported that they were group sessions where one person was the target and everyone else joined in with input as to exactly how and why the subject was wrong.

We have been told that all Con:Sin employees, volunteers, and friends were involved in these sessions, and that most lived in total fear of ever being on the hot seat, and experienced overwhelming relief when it wasn't themself being skewered.

None of this can come as any surprise to anyone who has spent any time in the Forum.

This is mind controlling, destructive, soul eroding, spirtual rape and cult behavior by any sane person's definition.

As Jeremiah has pointed out on another thread today, this behavior goes far beyond any that can simply be written off as "only being human". It has gone on for years, and there is no indication that anything has changed of late.

My question is why has "Lazaris" permitted this? We know that "he" has been asked this in private readings, and has responded with complete silence. Some pal!

If there is anyone who has asked and received an answer, I hope they will speak up and let us know what it was.

On that topic, we also have it on good authority that Peny listened to the private reading tapes as a way of gathering "evidence" to later use against people. We also know that "Lazaris" has used them to misrepresent and humiliate individuals during seminars.

Do you know all those cute stories Lazaris tells about this and that friend of theirs, those little personal anecdotes used to illustrate points? Several people have told us that the were present at seminars where their own private lives and information was used in this way, but that they were not accurately or fairly represented, and that "Lazaris" was deliberately taking the opportunity to embarrass, punish, manipulate, and shame them.

What a guy.

It is stories like these, and the story of Jachzaris using a Magic Time to punish and manipulate one of our dear friends here by lying about her in front of hundreds of people, and attempting to break up her family that serves as full proof to me that it is irrelevent whether or not it was Jach or some entity speaking, whoever it is is a foul and vindictive being with absolutely no conscience or committment to honesty, decency, or human rights.

This is Lazaris we're talking about here, not "just some human".

Sorry, I've gotten off on a tangent.

I think we can be very sure that Jach's second email did not come from any place of caring, compassion, or integrity on his part.

No one at Con:Sin is very practiced in correcting themselves, and not everyone in the world is willing to buy the line that anyone who would question them, their actions, or motives must be in negative-ego.

So, it would appear, that on occasion, even Jach finds himself taking the good "advice" of others besides "Lazaris", however reluctantly. It must be rough.

Katie

I too was not really surprised to hear of Peny's death. When I heard of Michaell's suicide and Jach's response, I thought -- Oh, boy! I can see some of the people who put Peny and Michaell up on a 'god" pedestal copying Michaell's actions -- and I can hear the word "Lawsuit!" I am VERY sure the we-do -not-condone-suicide message was put out to cover their butts and avoid litigation!

While reading through this thread, I was reminded of a 'vision' I had during a picture-the-future meditaion at a C:S workshop. In this 'vision' I came back to visit the planet. I found that a religion had been established called the Lazarians, with Peny, Jach, and Michaell as the Founders. Peny and Michaell has passed on together quite a while before Jach, and had thereafter been idolized to the point of 'sainthood' by those "true" to Concept:Synergy, especially Peny, the True Friend of Lazaris! Two books, "The Teachings of Lazaris" and "The Wisdom of Peny", were the basis of this religion. (Also available on audio! ) Of course, the Lazaris material ended up having MANY interpretaions like the Bible does. As a result people asked -- What DID Lazaris REALLY mean? Was there ever REALLY a Lazaris -- or did the Founders make it up? Die-hard members claimed their ancestors actually knew the Founders, while other people were doing everything they could to counter the Lazarian church.

What SCARES me is that I could see this 'vision' actually coming to be! What I think will REALLY happen though is that eventually C:S will lose its power, putrefy, and implode -- within 10 years according to my son!

I believe that at first Lazaris was more present and Jach did channel him clearly. I have to agree with others that perhaps now this is not so nor has it been for some time. -- but people are still buying what "Jachazaris" (cute, Katie!) says as "The Teachings of Lazaris". Time to prune the sprouting religion before it becomes a pervasive weed! If you keep a plant pruned to the ground, it dies on its own.

I guess each of us has to decide what they want to do or can do to help this process of pruning C:S -- if anything. I DEFINITELY agree that you connot help people who do NOT want help -- even if they SAY they do. I also know that if you give too much NEGATIVE attention to something it only adds to its power. I think this site has done a lot to prune C:S's power without adding to it by an overabundance of negative attention -- thanks for all of your time and energy to those who have participated!

Peace --

Bobbi

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Are you serious?

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Yes, about C:S being controlling.

I didn't see your post until just now! Hey, how's it going? Nice to see you here.

Well, girl, let's hope your dream stays in the ether state. What a foul thought, a religion based on Peny's love and wisdom.

But, by Jach's evaluation, they have formed the Holy Trinity haven't they? Lazaris, Peny and Michaell. I'll bet his weird co-dependent obsession with his strayed wife could easily lead him to support such a notion.

Oh my!

Well, that's one of only many possibilities, and I agree with you that the point is to keep doing the weeding.

Ultimately, if there are still people around in a hundred years or so who want to believe in the LazPenMikis Trinity, so be it. Ain't my problem.

Nice to see you, thanks for dropping by.