Yeah, that language thing! In cult awareness circles it's called "loaded language". It's where commonly used English words are given a special meaning understood fully only by those in the cult.

Hubris is certainly one of those words, but it won't leave my vocabulary until Con:Sin is no more.

Lazaris gives us a lot of loaded language to ponder like negative ego, martyrhood, victimhood, safety....the list goes on.

I am very much taken though how so many of the those definitions are a perfect fit for the Con:Sinners.

So, loaded language or not, I'm holding on to hubris for awhile.

I think for halloween next year I'll go get one of those tie dye caftans some neon blue eyeshadow and a big wig....naaahh..that would be TOO scary!!! I'll leave Halloween to the friendly little ghosts and goblins and save the New Age Goddess costume for the next time I need some kindling for a big bonfire.

Hi! Mr. Prince. I bet you didn't expect to find me here. I hope I don't scare you away.

In another thread Mr. Prince talked about how disappointed he was that no one jumped into the conversation to speak up for him, so I thought I'd better stop lurking and jump in.

Everyone, I'm pleased you've had a chance to meet my dear, long-lost friend, fingerprice. I'd like to vouch for the genuiness of his experiences. Mr. Prince has told me about at least one of the special experiences he's referred to, and I do believe it was a true religous/spiritual event. I have no doubt about the sincerity of Mr. Prince's experinece. It was not glowing lights or other "parlor tricks" kind of stuff. It was, as far as I can tell about another person relating his experience, real.

In previous threads, people talked about how insights and spiritual experiences they once attributed to Lazaris they now believe came from a source inside themselves. Whether Mr. Prince's corelation of his experiences with Lazaris means they were caused by Lazaris is a separate question. But I believe the experience was real, with no hocus pocus involved.

It does seem a tad presumptuous for Mr. Prince to say that no one of the other 6+ billion people currently living have had similar experiences. How could anyone possibly know that?

Mr. Prince, I'm glad to see you are doing well. I hope it doesn't take another 50 years to finish the remaining 70% of your house project.

I'll do my best to stick up for you when I can. You've made some other good points that are worthy of further discussion.

Way back up somewhere in this thread a few days ago Mr. Prince made a comparison between Concept:Synergy and a lap dancer. I thought it was a good analogy, but I guess it slipped by everyone in the heat of the discusion.

I'm not an expert in lap dancers or in the operation of Concept:Synergy/Lazaris, so others with more experience may want to speak up. But my impression is that both lap dancers and Concept:Synergy seduce their "customers" with attractive fantasies that make them feel special and good for a time, but leave them poorer in the end.

Thanks, Mr. Prince, for this apt comparison.

I was very happy to sell my jewelry through Isis Rising until my feelings about L changed. There's a link to my web site (Gracestones.com) in the "Magical Tools and Crystals" topic if you want to check it out, or see my smilin' face on the "policy page."

I know what you mean about getting certain words out of your brain that are part of the jargon, been working on that myself.

Love,
Jade

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Thank you, Steve.

It would appear that you and I could agree on a great deal about the C:S organizations. I'm not sure our emotions are equally charged but many of our awarenesses might be.

As to Lazaris, from the bits I've noticed, it does not appear we share the same views. That you "used to" feel that way is good, because you could use memory to empathize, should you choose to. Over the 20 years of my involvement I've known zillions of people who don't believe in Lazaris. What ultimately matters to me is only how I feel about Lazaris, even if I'm the only one left.
(Though I think I'd keep quiet about it if I were. ;-)

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The old "power corrupts" truism does indeed, as per Ted -- far pre-date Lazaris' 1974 arrival on Earth.

The same sentiment reg.: the topic of domination / absolute domination -- however might indeed, be attributed to Big L.

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After talking at length with my Scorpio Moon strongly clairvoint friend, Bobbi the other night --

I have to stick with only half 'my guns' about Jach "faking it".

IMO Jach -- the man is a fake. My experience of Jach can best be summed up with this word picture: A smarmy Teddy Bear Hamster with The Alien inside.

Both Bobbi and I sense a completely DIFFERENT frequency of *essential being* from Jach's body when Big L comes through.

Now.

Is this a Sybil-type full personality split-off due to spousal abuse at Peny's sadistic hand -- or some half fascist idiot / half good healing stuff non-physical entity from the Sirus portal?

I don't know.

Praps with Ms. Amway Bullwhip Wig Paw Thing out of the picture -- this Lazaris personality can begin to cop to it's occasional IMO M-A-S-S-I-V-E abuses of absolutist spiritual authority since 1974.

IT sure has, IMO fucked up factually a lot and has, to my knowledge admitted absolutely no wrong doing thusfar, whoever It is.

Cheers fingerprince.

Steve

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Hi Fingerprince,

Thanks for your response to my post. I appreciate that you must be bizzeee creating a house from scratch!! that's downright amazing!! wiring and everything??? sheesh

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Hi, Audrey.

Yes, so far...I may have misled you, however. While the "project" was started 25 years ago, the actual house-building didn't get underway until 2-3 years ago (prior to that were "infrastructure.")
Also, some of the house will be pre-built. Moreover, I may decide to "bail-out" and hire people to do certain parts (like the roof...I don't care for heights. ;-) )
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I was interested to know one thing about those private consultations you had with L.

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I'm just curious, you are the first person I've ever communicatied with who actually got a consultation, and it sounds like you had a few?? my question is: how long was that wait???

Bye for now,
Audrey

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I have had six or seven talks with Lazaris. Compared to many people who were there way back, this isn't very many.

Actually, I remember Gerald getting up before the workshop and actually telling the gathering that there were openings for consultations. If anyone was interested to please submit their request along with how many consultations they would want per year. This would be a permanent consultation schedule for LIFE.

Later, perhaps half-dozen years later, they began to cut and whittle those schedules down. At the time I was with a woman who was getting a reading per month. It was reduced to 4 times per year and then, about 5 or 6 years ago, down to once per year.

There were zillions of requests, as best as I can tell. Some people would bombard them with requests: floating schedule, regular schedule, emergency readings, etc. I would hate to be on their end of this.

It did bother me, however, to hear that they weren't honoring prior commitments. I feel that these unilateral decisions are poor, though in a sense I also understand. They were ill-conceived to begin with. There are people who talked multi-times per week (for a while, at least) and others every week (also for a time.)

I didn't volunteer for permanent readings and kicked myself for that decision years later. I was so skeptical when I started and so poor (remember, I slept in my car for a couple of workshops) plus I didn't want to commit "forever" to anything unknown or perhaps unreliable.

As to how they select, I've gotten conflicting messages. At one time I thought it was by committee (Peny, Jach and/or Lazaris.) Later, I was told it was only by Lazaris. I really don't know the answer. On the surface, there appear to be inequities and "unfairnesses," but, I don't have all the information before me to know if that is true or not.

I will add this, however. I have sat in "magic time" perhaps 40 times and have never gotten the microphone. (The first magic time was conducted by Peny and she made no bones about the fact that she was selecting her friends, much to the dismay of the rest of us.) Some people have gotten the microphone EVERY time they have sat up there (one woman I know was at number 12, the last time I spoke with her.)

I have never been publically "exposed" in a workshop, other than references to me in blendings.

You made me bust my gut now!!!!:
"smarmy teddy bear with the alien inside"

Can I USE THAT,...PLEEEEZZE.!!!

Anyway, I have a scorpio moon myself,(perhaps a BIT overshadowed by my Aires sun tho'), nevertheless I've recently been working on re-establishing my psychic powers with a good workbook called "The Psychic Pathway", and am finding it to be most helpful.
An interesting side effect I had noticed when involved in J/L teachings, I became very dense, and what I'd describe as the most psychically(?) stupid and non-sensing that I've EVER been.... I believe it was due to giving up my power, but I also think it had alot to do with only ever using "their" guided meditations....not a good idea folks...

I'd recommend The Psychic Pathway to everyone, as we can only become empowered to trust ourselves when we learn to more fully LISTEN on several levels.

The more we trust OUR voices the more loudly they speak. This is what I've found to be true for myself anyway.

Thanks again Steve for the great mental pictures I got when reading that description..I don't think I will ever forget that one.....

I actually did notice that post from fingerprince, but at the time chose to disregard it because it was silly, and I did not think it a valid analogy.

But now that you have chosen to bring it up again, I think it warrants response.

Granted I've never been to a lap dancer, , BUT... I had a buddy that was a stripper, and have known, men who've participated in that entertainment, and have discussed it with me...so I think I know wuzzupwiddatt.

What you said was generally true about going away much poorer, but come on that's as close as it gets.

The lap dancer does not promise anything, those guys know exactly what they will, and will not GET. Once they get drunk those views may become a bit sideways, but there are bouncers who will immediately show them the door, to remind them.

So, guy goes in knowing he will spend lots of cash for moments of "pleasure". and when he walks outta that club it's OVER.!! no-one expects any differently.

Wherease with L. seminars,tapes,one-on-one phone sex(oops)phone consultations...one is told to expect nothing short of ones life changing 360 degrees. The speed of the change is left up to the individual doing the work...

programming, processing, etc.
I don't think I need to go on...I'm sure you have heard on the many tapes after the meditations: "the neuronal pathways have been set now...you may not feel the changes but be certain they have been changed", some such nonsense....

You're right of course about the lap dancer/lazaris analogy. It is silly, but maybe that's what struck me about it. And any analogy can be stretched only so far.

As I said, I'm no expert on either lap dancers or Lazaris. But the analogy brought to mind something I read by a cultural anthropologist about the workings and appeal of new age cult movements.

I'm guessing that successful lap dancers, the ones that customers are willing to pay $400 to, are pretty good at accessing and triggering a guy's need to feel special, to feel attractive, etc. Skilled lap dancers must have pretty good empirical knowledge of male human sexual instincts and know how to manupulate them to their advantage.

The cultural anthopoligist talked about how new age cult groups offer something that appeals to our human desires to feel special, to feel loved, to feel part of a group. You feel good for a while, but since it has no substance behind it, it wears off after while and you need to get another "fix," for which you pay more money. Just like the guy and the lap dancer, or, like a drug addict.

If you're interested, I can try to find the reference. It was a column by Jennifer James in the Seattle Times in about 1992.

Yours,
M McB

I, too know people who had readings weekly in the early days. It was there for the taking. One friend the other day pulled her first reading with Lazaris in 1989 and to her consternation, she was talking about the same issues as today.

As you probably know, in the last week Jach has decided he will do no more private readings. A letter went out last week. I don't know what reason was given. My guess is that in many ways Peny's death will give Jach a freedom to live his life in ways he might not have done before.

Interesting news! No more private readings!

This is something to ponder.

Maybe it's because with Peny gone, there is no cause to collect private information on people to serve up as gossip over the dinner table.

Maybe that's all the private readings were about since the beginning.

Sorry for the cynicism, but after all we've come to know...it's hard not to wonder.

Thanks for sharing the info.

I, too know people who had readings weekly in the early days. It was there for the taking. One friend the other day pulled her first reading with Lazaris in 1989 and to her consternation, she was talking about the same issues as today.

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Hi, blue!

If she's still working on the same issues as ten years earlier then I suppose it's understandable why she'd be consternated. Sorry to hear it. ON the other hand, she knows what she needs to work on... :-}

_____________________________________________As you probably know, in the last week Jach has decided he will do no more private readings. A letter went out last week. I don't know what reason was given. My guess is that in many ways Peny's death will give Jach a freedom to live his life in ways he might not have done before.

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WOW! No, you're the first to provide that information, and thank you for it.

In the past I've always wondered how life would be different once Jach were to die...(I never considered Peny's death, etc.) and we've also speculated about lots of different things...now we are finding out that there is no return. What we got is most of what we are to get from Lazaris, it appears.

From now only, it's leaner and meaner...not impossible but, certainly on the face of it it'll be more difficult.

In many ways, Blue, even the sentiments expressed in here seem almost what we should expect. The angers, etc., could very well be what each of the individuals expressing it need to do for him/herself to truly become the self-determined person that they need to be. It seems like a cold and cruel way to get there but, maybe that's the most elegant way for that particular personality. Others are not going to leave voluntarily, it appears, and will get pushed out of the nest, whether or not the want it that way.

As a person who believes in Lazaris, I'd like to believe that he has meant it when he has stated not wanting to be a guru, etc. and since we (those who have...) made him one whether he wants it or not, now he's making sure the separation happens. Some people will do it by hating him, others by finding other things, yet others by lack of access in so many possible ways. I sure as heck don't know. THere are so many possibilities...including that he's still there if we grow spiritually enough to find him in meditation, etc. (Michael's death sort of messes that one up a bit, though not completely.)

Thanks again for the info.

Well, one thing that rather strange post brought home to me is that all of us here who
who have "moved on" agree that the support and love we experienced was real, and still with us. All that's changed is that we no longer give it the name "Lazaris".

So sad for you that you believe you are dependent on Jach to be loved and supported by the Universe.

So nice for Jach!

It's really offensive to me that you are projecting all of your own paranoias and dependencies onto us here.

What a bleak future you paint for yourself.
The present isn't so groovy either.

I just gotta ask after reading this latest post from you, you stated from now on it will be leaner,meaner, on the face of it more difficult, something like that.

OK, I really need to know
WHAT did you get out of the copious Arthurian legends/majik whatever the hell tapes/ seminars if you did attend any on that subject.

This is the question that refuses to be answered.

These firm and strong believers keep coming here telling us how mean and rotten we are for questioning, and allowing questions to be asked, yet they are as free as anyone else to provide some solid information.

To date, all we have received are a few very run of the mill personal successes and a bunch of innuendo.

Like you, I'm still waiting for ONE story of a magical miraculous success beyond all of our wild imaginations. That is what Lazaris promises, and therein lies the truth of the value of the materials.

I think that question, far more than any of our little rants here is what has some people really ticked off. They can't answer it, so better to discredit those who ask it.
Much easier to divert the topic than face the facts.

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It did bother me, however, to hear that they weren't honoring prior commitments. I feel that these unilateral decisions are poor, though in a sense I also understand. They were
ill-conceived to begin with.

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It seems that at least "Lazaris" would have had some foresight in this area. He makes annual predictions, and foretells the future of spiritual evolvement. Surely he saw the upcoming success of C:S and his teachings clearly enough to advise against such "ill-conceived commitments."

Personally, I think they were/are more concerned with generating revenue than keeping commitments.

YES,,,,HELLO...... DUH.... I'm at a loss for words!!!!!!!

I wrote in one post that Bizzarus should have knownand prepared Jach & Micheal for the precise moment of P.s death, as she was the one they came here to "touch". Was she not the compellig spark etc.etc.

He woulda known of Michael impending decision as well... I think I posted it with a reference to the 2001 being called the year of mystery,,,,no shit eh??????

It strikes me as so strange that not one of the L. supporters makes these connections, I am not any more perceptive than the next halfway conscious person, so why are these inconsistencies lost on so many?? no-one even made an attempt to respond to that point.

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One friend the other day pulled her first reading with Lazaris in 1989 and to her consternation, she was talking about the same issues as today.

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If she's still working on the same issues as ten years earlier then I suppose it's understandable why she'd be consternated. Sorry to hear it. ON the other hand, she knows what she needs to work on... :-}

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Fingerprince:

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As a person who believes in Lazaris, I'd like to believe that he has meant it when he has stated not wanting to be a guru, etc. and since we (those who have...) made him one whether he wants it or not, now he's making sure the separation happens. Some people will do it by hating him, others by finding other things, yet others by lack of access in so many possible ways.

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Fingerprince, all the facts point to "Lazaris" Co. doing everything possible to fill your mind, day and night, and on into eternity with L's thoughts, words, and elliptical mystical presence. Absolutely contradicting his words! I'm sure you've heard that actions count more than words.

The cluttered, congested, circumlocuitous, maze-like, fear inducing (negative ego, dark law dark shkield, nemesis ad nauseum ) teachings literally erect a damn holding back one's own source of power and authority. That's why the woman who found herself processing the same old same old, ain't moved yet. That "she knows what she needs to work", on thousands of dollars and many years later only confirms the point. She probably would have figured that out by watching Oprah.

You say, "so now he's making sure the separation happens." Looks to me like you are going to credit "Lazaris" for doing something beneficial here, in spite of the nonsensical deaths (in terms of L's teaching on health and longevity) of Peny and Michaell. Now, after going to great lengths to infuse your waking and sleeping Self with his teaching via tapes, seminars, meditation, techniques, crystals, your calendar and your morning coffee mug, HE IS MAKING SURE THE SEPARATION HAPPENS.

So what are YOU, or other believers doing to make sure the separation happens? Waiting for the Orb's next authoritive decree?

Jade

After I read my last post to you, I felt like I, in some way had slammed my friend because his last reading with Lazaris was the same as his first.

I think we all have certain themes that appear and re appear in our lives to be dealt with. The fact that he has the same one, was in no way meant to suggest he has not grown and changed in many ways, many in part to his work with Lazaris and other personal growth modalities.

I don't see the discontinuance of readings as having an impact as very few people got them anyway. And I think we all have enough material from Lazaris to live our life to its fullest potential, even if seminars were no longer available.

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Originally posted by Katie:
Hi fingerprince,

So sad for you that you believe you are dependent on Jach to be loved and supported by the Universe.

So nice for Jach!

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I have no dependency on Jach; you speak with forked tongue. Jach certainly has no need for me, either, as far as can be determined by what I experienced and have taken time to elaborate.

So, if you lie about one thing, you must lie about all, no?

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It's really offensive to me that you are projecting all of your own paranoias and dependencies onto us here.

What a bleak future you paint for yourself.
The present isn't so groovy either.

You even do the Lazaris material an injustice.

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Are you on drugs? If so, get an adjustment for your meds.

I have my "share" of paranoias but, as far as I can tell, they pale in comparison to yours. This is *MY* opinion, which surely has as much value as *your* opinions.

ALL my paranoias? PLease, Katie!

If you weren't sure what I was talking about maybe you should have asked. I was simply referring to getting first hand, modulated (with a microphone) or unmodulated (in person) personal information from the source of Lazaris. THe whole posting was in reference to Bluebird's information about no more readings, which was remarkably timely considering Audrey's initial question on the topic.

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Originally posted by Audrey:
Hi Fingerprince,

OK, I really need to know
WHAT did you get out of the copious Arthurian legends/majik whatever the hell tapes/ seminars if you did attend any on that subject.

I HAD put this ? out b-4 but it was ignored.
If the material is so great do tell pleeeeezzee.....
Audrey

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Hi, Audrey.

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Originally posted by Jade:
Hi Fingerprince,
It seems that at least "Lazaris" would have had some foresight in this area. He makes annual predictions, and foretells the future of spiritual evolvement. Surely he saw the upcoming success of C:S and his teachings clearly enough to advise against such "ill-conceived commitments."

Personally, I think they were/are more concerned with generating revenue than keeping commitments.

Jade

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Hi, Jade.

...thanks to pointers on how to properly use the quotes but, as you can surely see, I keep on failing.

As to the readings, yeah, I agree that Jach, etc. used their "golden goose" (as a friend of mine playfully refers to Lazaris in relation to C:S) to generate what I estimate could be as much as $100million.

In the beginning, however, the money didn't flow that way. Perhaps they felt it would burn away and that they needed to take as much advantage as they could. I forgot to mention that Gerald actually went to people in Berkeley, at the very minimum, asking if anyone wanted a reading with Lazaris. I know a woman who said yes to an hour and a half and it was face-to-face in some house in that city.

Bluebird's description of the friend (who seems to have undergone a sex change along the way somewhere) who is still dealing with the same issue now as in her/his first reading with Lazaris reminds me of a conversation I had with Mr. Prince a few years ago.

Mr. Prince was telling me about the characteristics of a spiritually evolved person. I think this was a list that came from Lazaris, but I don't remember for sure, and I don't recall now what any of the characterists were. After he'd gone down the list, I said I thought I had a lot of those charateristics.

Mr. Prince appeared to become quite angry and upset about what I'd said. He told me, as I recall, that no one could ever actually have the characteristics of a spirtually evolved person. If I thought I did, that just proved how degraded and unevolved I really was. Apparently, anyone who thought they were spiritually evolved was really just in their "negative ego." The more evolved you think you are, the worse you are deceiving yourself.

I tried to ask him what the point of all the seminars, tapes, meditations, and so forth was, if it could never lead to anything. But he didn't think it was worth trying to explain to someone like me who didn't follow his spiritual belief system and who was in such a primitive spiritual state.

I still wonder, though.

You wrote:

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He told me, as I recall, that no one could ever actually have the characteristics of a spirtually evolved person. If I thought I did, that just
proved how degraded and unevolved I really was. Apparently, anyone who thought they were spiritually evolved was really just in their "negative ego." The more evolved you think you are, the worse you are deceiving yourself.

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So I must be really evolved because I think I'm unevolved. On no, I just blew it by thinking I was evolved because I thought I was unevolved. So now I think I'm unevolved again. So I must really be evolved. Uh oh, blew it again...

I'm guessing that one of the characteristics of a spiritual person is that they're very confused.

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Are you on drugs? If so, get an adjustment for your meds.

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This from the guy who complains about others here being mean spirited?

At this point, you're just blowing hot air and my interest in what you have to say is now minus zero.

Please click on the "UBB Code is ON" link to the left of your "Reply" window, and read the instructions or stop trying completely.

Thought I would comment on your evolved/unevolved conundrum. The Tao Te Ching has said, "those who know don't say and those who say don't know." For me, all it means is that one who is evolved, need not proclaim any special status. Does an adult need to say to a child, "I am an adult," if the child disagrees? Silence would be the most eloquent reply. And for one to proclaim special status is equally absurd. If a child proclaims adulthood, should the adult be impressed? Obviously a metaphor as spirituality is not so easily discerned. Nevertheless, be wary of those who proclaim. Who do they need to impress and why? is always a good question to ask.

As for the quote you were commenting on, that it's a bit self-serving is obvious. Why does she address the general public with her comment rather than fingerprince? Why not take it up with him rather than with people who weren't there and don't know what was said? Could it be that there are two sides to it and what is left unsaid may be as pertinent, if not more relevant than what is said?

TedC

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Very helpful! Thank you!!

TedC

TedC asked why, in a previous message where I related a story about a conversation I once had with Mr. Prince, I didn't address him directly. Well, I was just telling a story about something that happened that was brought to mind by another message. It would be kind of weird to get too much into posting private messages to other people here, anyway. It is a public place.

I think of this place as kind of like a party with clusters of people having different conversations. Say you're in a group with Fred and Bob and Sue and Joe. Sue says something that reminds you of a previous conversation that you had with Fred. So you tell your story and maybe you address Fred directly and ask if that's how he remembers it, or maybe Bob or Joe respond, or they have their own stories or things to add and you never get back to your story or Sue's. Conversations ebb and flow, groups rearrange, and sometimes you end up talking with several people, other times with just one. Nothing really sinister about that.

And by the way, TedC, why did you ask TedV about my motives, rather than asking me?

An interesting thing about my story is that Mr. Prince listed a bunch of characteristics of a spiritually evolved person and I said I thought I had some of those characteristis. I didn't say I thought I was a spiritually evolved person. That would not have been a sensible thing for me to say, given my belief system. Mr. Prince reacted as if I'd said I was spiritually evovled, but that isn't what I said.

I agree with TedC, though. People who do believe themselves to be spiritually evolved probably have no need to proclaim their advanced spiritual state. It's people who go around advertising their self-proclaimed advanced spiritual state you need to watch out for.

Yours,
Melinda

Once you've mastered the UBB codes, you can go back and fix up the coding in your old messages by clicking on the edit/delete icon.

Will check out The Psychic Pathway. Thanks!

Woah. Scorpio Moon with... yowsa! War is guuuuuut, no? ;0)

As long as it's fairly fought..

even so -- if it ain't: der furrer bunker *will* eventually go bang.

"Penah" be poof 'o dat, IMO.

Steve

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And by the way, TedC, why did you ask TedV about my motives, rather than asking me?

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I didn't ask him, nor you because your motive was obvious, to make him look bad.

I believe Jeremiah brought up a reference to Michaell studying Tesla.

I found an interesting discussion group he participated in:

http://www.newphys.se/elektromagnum/physics/KeelyNet/public-messages/m3400.txt

Sorry I don't know how to do links yet, but I'm learning.

I'm still very much a lurker here but hope to introduce myself very soon.

I'm a current Laz Forum member and, like others, found your site as a result of a frantic search for information after Jach's Peny e-mail to me.

Glad you are here.

Gnowan

I couldn't agree more than I do with Fingerprince. I am also sure that Lazaris is real. I have met him, I know him, and he knows me. This is off course very subjective, but it's true for me, and I cannot prove it at all.

What I do think is possible though, is that Jach isn't completely unaware during the channeling, and that he has gotten the knack of how to put in a few words here and there, to get things moving in the direction he's interested in, e.g. the Peny endorsement.
It is the only explanation that computes in my brain. Maybe Lazaris is such a neutral source, that it's just a question of tapping into it. It could be that these Lazaris recordings have already been made somewhere in a higher realm, and is waiting for someone with an antenna to transmit them. If it's like that, then it is obvious that Lazaris wouldn't interfere with what anybody's doing with their lives, with others, and him.

Anyway, that was just a thought!

And Fingerprince,
You really are some guy (don't misunderstand me here, I'm already married)! But it truly feels to me that all you do is honestly sharing what you feel. And in return you seem to attract a lot of negative reactions. Some people have very strong opinions about who you are and what you mean with your sharing. I am a little puzzled.
I don't hear you interpreting other peoples posts, or assuming things about them, or getting personal with them, if you can avoid it. But you seem to get a lot of that back, also with anger behind it.
First I wasn't paying attention, but it kept happening to you, post after post. People get obsessed with you, and can't let you go. Are you aware of that?

Now I truly hope, I won't become one of them!!!! LOL

No, I just want to say that I enjoy your posts, they aren't the slightest bit offensive to me.

And for G..'s sake stop apologizing for your impact....

To you guys who get very, in your face, personal, with Fingerprince, I just have one baffled question: What's the deal with that?

Helena

I enjoyed reading your post. I couldn't excetly figure out from all those posts what Tesla was. A Newtonian physics site? And the posts were 8 years old? how did you ever find them? It is amazing what is out there on the internet isn't it?