I just came across your website yesterday, an hour or so after I read about Peny's passing.

I must say I was shaken to my core by many of the postings, and by so many fellow seekers questioning their experience of Lazaris.

I seriously doubted all my experiences of learning from Lazaris over the past 16 years. All of the love I had experienced.

But if Jach is just acting, where is the material coming from? Even if there were a wireless voice feed into his ear during a seminar, who wrote the script?

Who came up with "the specific ways to love" and "the journey home", and if not Lazaris, how did Jach get to be such a great teacher? Where did all that love I felt come from?

Who continues to write all of the volumes of consistently brilliant material that Lazaris comes up with? Am I missing something here??

I just read some postings on the forum, and one that particularly moved me. It referred to Star Trek Next Generation, to the Klingon warrior's death ritual, in which the surviving warriors stood tall and shouted to the heavens to beware, that a Klingon warrior was on his way.

The sorrow I felt when I first read that Peny died, and the emotions I felt when I read the above posting on the forum were real.

So is my experience of Lazaris and all that I have learned from him.

I'm not defending Peny, or any of the people who joined her in trashing others in the forum. She obviously had her share of problems, as did many of her close circle.

My own personal experience of the forum was that I read enough postings to know that my political views were totally opposed to the forum consensus. They certainly caused me to re-examine my beliefs.

But whatever the faults of the humanity involved with concept: synergy, what about the teacher/friend we have all learned so much from?

Some of you say he is merely teaching universal truths stolen from this material or that. How did he arrange these truths in such a way to get them to us so elegantly?

I plan to continue to work my magic and to listen and learn from Lazaris tapes.

They are the closest to the truth I know of.

With all respect,

I completely understand your position. I too am questioning where all the information comes from. I am still separating out my personal experiences with Lazaris from the horrible yuck of the human condition. I think any human put into a position of ultimate power eventually becomes warped no matter what their original intentions were.

Yes. I agree with you. I have yet to write here about my magical experiences with Lazaris themselves. I hope this site will give me the room to do that. I do not have any doubt that Peny was a sick person but I still have too many unanswered questions about Lazaris to say that they are not real. I have been reading the posts here, trying to figure out what is real for me.

Is the Lazaris that I came to know and respect something I personally created to help me through my spiritual development? Maybe. Does that make him less real? Well, what is real?

There are other questions. I spent a lot of time studying the older material. Did something change at a certain point? Did the material start becoming warped later on? Can someone help me with that one?

Since January of this year, I have been examining my relationship with the Lazaris material, its credibility and value.

I have not come to any hard and fast conclusions but I will share a few thougths and "soft" conclusions I have reached.

First of all, I want to say that it is my opinion [and only my opinion] that Concept Synergy is a toxic, noxious little tribe of misfits that could all benifit from applying just a little the material that they have grown so rich selling.

Short of that some behavioral modification therapy might be in order.

My observation is that Peny and the Gang distorted a small portion of what Lazaris talked about to provide justification and
fuel to create a toxic "family" of bullying and fear that gave them identity and quite simply something do do during the day.

I don't believe for instance that Peny applied or was even aware of much of what Lazaris has talked about. Certain of the gang memebers are "well versed" [a suprisingly few]. but Peny was the focus.

It wasn't Lazaris the gang was studying [imo] but Peny. Peny was the guru that Lazaris always refused to be and that they obviously secretly wanted.

I have written here in other threads that I believe a conscious effort was made to create dependancy from Concept Synergy.

I still believe that, although I don't know how conscious it is.

The tacky marketing techniques and the sloppy and hostile way they treat their customers demonstrates what happens when a horrible business sense meets hubris.

My "belief" in Lazaris was never based on the pushy, slimy obvious marketing slogans that CS slapped on every hideous purple piece of shit they mailed out..

My acceptance of Lazaris was based on what I felt to be a profound demonstration of an exceptional intelligence, keen insight, kindness and humor.

I have revised some of the opinions I have expressed here earlier this year in that I don't think the dependancy was created in the material[ at least in the early years ] but by CS as its marketer.

I have listened carefully to some of the earlier material, Lynn and yes I do see some differences.

The emphasis on personal power, on a the idea that the steps of getting somewhere are the qualities of being there.. as well as the emphasis on personal excellence and their being no prerequisites to growth.

The more recent material, with some notable exceptions, seems to be a retread at best and at worst an attempt to create fear of what is lurking in your subconscious and unconcious minds.

So where I stand right now is that the material has great merit in its early years.

The only thing that remains a question is Lazaris observations of Peny and his participation in a multilevel marketing scam that Peny and Jach engineered in the mid 80's.

Further, Lazaris has never commented on the forum brutality or the outrageous greed and price gauging that CS employs.

Until I can resolve those issues, I am looking for facts and eyewitness reports..[lol]

One thing is certain, no matter how brilliant I think some of the material is, I will not send one more fucking cent to that shady operation south of the Mason Dixon line..

Also Lynn, I want to say I agree with Ted that your forum attack was motivated out of CS attempting to protect its cashflow.

Your observation was correct and Lazaris agreed with you many times over on several tapes that it is not intended for everyone to work with every tape.

Lazaris also stated frequently that workshops were not meant to be a requirement but a source of fun, a preference.

The only thing you "have" to do Lazaris said is to be responsible.

Cheers,

Jeremiah

Frank, welcome to the message board, your post is lovely. You might just be the first person to come here with such sincerity and respect in questioning the opinions stated here about Con:Sin. I very much appreciate that.

I think all of us here have had very profound experiences via the Lazaris material. We were all solid and true believers for varying degrees of time, but most of us were seriously involved with the material for years. For me and Ted it was twelve years. Our daughter was a believer too.

I can only speak to my process of how the material began to unravel. For me it was a reverse process. Once I finally allowed it to sink in that Peny, Jach, and the Gang are a bunch of world class abusers and sickies, I had to question Lazaris as well, up to and including his existance. This didn't happen overnight. I remember very clearly the day that I finally said "Jach is faking it". Ted and my dearest friends of Lazaris were shocked, some of them angry. Those were hard words to speak, and I didn't speak them until I was sure. The certainty came from my soul before it came from my brain. It came in the form of the help I asked for in dealing with the abuse Ted and I had experienced in the Forum, and the resultant statement by Peny telling me that I had just thrown my spirituality out the window.

Con:Sin may have been able to convince me of many things, but that is not one of them. I have been a consciously spiritual being since early childhood. Peny could never take that away from me, and the thought that she tried made me sicker than I can express in words. Her intention in speaking them became so glaringly clear along with all the other manipulation and control we had witnessed over the years. These are not the words of a spiritual leader, an enlightened one who is here only to love and help. These were the words of a bitter control freak wanting to frighten and punish. Is there anyone anywhere who can see that differently?

Once I got it head on that Lazaris lies about Peny, I had to question who and what Lazaris is.

I started asking questions and searching the internet. Immediately it came to light that Jach, Peny et. al had studied Silva Mind Control methods, and that much of the L material, especially the counting down in the "meditations" came directly from there.
Hmmmmmm....why was Silva never mentioned in Jach's nice little story of how he came to channel L? Now Jach's story starts falling apart.

I then found a hypnosis site on the net which outlines what is called an "alchemical hypnotherapy session". I have put a link to that site somewhere here, but interestingly, since I have, the description of the session has been somewhat modified. It still does lay out very clearly the technique that Jach uses in seminars and tapes to systematically hypnotize attendees. The whole pattern is there, the mental preparation, the identification of issues, the introduction of imageries, and the ultimate hypnosis session itself where all of these components are brought together. The big difference however is that in an ethical session the client knows that they are being hypnotized and the hypnotist allows them to identify issues and imageries which are unique to themselves. Now I see exactly what Jach is doing, and I see how phenomenally unethical it is for him to take it upon himself to identify issues and imageries in some generic fashion, and then take several hundred people into a state of hypnosis without their knowledge or permission. It isn't only unethical, it's illegal. Maybe someone will investigate Jach one of these days. It is my sincere hope for that to happen.

Ok, all that, but still, there was the incredible LOVE, the amazing sense of being healed, of growing and becoming more aware.
I still had to ponder that, along with the questions about how Jach could pull this off for so long and so effectively.

Long story short, the Love of course comes from our desire for it. That Love is freely given to all, no seminars or unearthly intermediaries necessary. Any time anyone anywhere asks and allows that Love will manifest in all the same intensity and beauty. The problem is, Jach took over for us, and led us to believe that we needed Lazaris, a seminar, a tape, a "blending" to feel that Love. Gradually Jach removed God/Goddess/All that Is from the equation, paying only lipservice to the Divine, and supplanted Lazaris. This fact is born out in Jach's statement about Peny's death, that she is now with Lazaris, as though that in itself is some kind of final goal.

How does Jach do it? How does he remain consistant, brilliant, full of ever changing new and exciting concepts and ideas year in and year out?

He doesn't. He creates the illusion that he does. He's a hypnotist, and no doubt has a serious personality disorder. Have you ever spoken at length to a bipolar person in manic state? I'm not diagnosing Jach as being bipolar, but I do know that there are many accounts of how the human mind can perform in seemingly miraculous ways under certain circumstances. I could go into this in more detail, but will leave it at that for now.

What I have come to know through the information which has been come to light about Jach and Peny is that they have had a world class co-dependency. Jach has some unexplained passion for appeasing this woman that is more unfathomable to me than his ability to put on a good show.

Lynn, my theory on why the earlier materials are so much more powerful and organized is simply that Jach had some good stuff to work with in the early days, Jung, Silva, the Great Masters, etc. Over the years he's been running out of material, and his ability to make things up isn't quite up to snuff.

All I can say, is that if a person knew for sure that they would make a half a million dollars in one weekend just by being able to sit on a stage and keep talking, that would be motivation enough to create an outline from which to work. I have heard Lazaris make mistakes, and we all know that there is much much repetition. The last evening seminar I attended was so void of information that beyond being bored to tears, I came away with only a half page of notes. I got home and realized that nothing had been said to take notes on. It was just a bunch of blather that just about drove me nuts at the time.

My opinion is this, that we've all been sucked into a clever scam, one that has changed and evolved over the years, as the tactics and techniques of mind control were honed. There came a point of "critical mass" where Jach knew that people would blindly accept anything said. That might have come as much as a surprise to him as it does to me in retrospect, but I can see how it unfolded now, as clearly as I can see the back of my hand.

Stage magicians use the trick of "smoke and mirrors". It's a tactic to get you to believe you are seeing something that you are not. It is done by diverting your attention away from the actual trick as it is being done. It's no mystery to those who practice and understand it. The whole world knows about smoke and mirrors, yet stage magicians continue to be enormously popular.
There is something in the human consciousness evidently that enjoys being tricked. Jach has become wealthy by capitalizing on that. IMO he's the cheapest of the cheap hucksters. I despise what he does, and Peny or no Peny, I will continue to oppose him, and work toward exposing him.

To me he is one nasty sick puppy.

There is not one experience or bit of wisdom which allegedly came from Lazaris that cannot be duplicated through an individuals desire and openness.

It has taken me a long time to get out of the habit of thinking that I have to "do" something to create my desired reality. Over the past months I have practiced conscious "nothingness". Like everyone, I desire and dream. I'm learning to allow my desires and dreams to manifest rather than believing that I have to somehow manipulate the universe through some clever technique to make that happen. I can't tell you how much more calm and peaceful I am, or how beautifully my technique works.

Of course it works, it's as The Divine intended, the Divine who loves each of us individually and requires no intermediaries, no manipulations, no class rooms, tapes, books, seminars, or multi-dimensional beings.
The Divine provides the same for a child born to poverty who wouldn't know a cassette tape from a pigs ear.

What madness has convinced us that we need this kind of "help"? A madness that was provided deliberately, systematically, and with malice and forethought by Jach Pursel and his ilk. So say I.

I'm glad you found this site Frank, cuz unlike most Americans you are questioning things that the dumb-dumber Americans do not seem to question anymore, I am always glad to see one more. Lynns questioning the nature of reality itself is so nice to see as well....
I have been questioning these things and my metaphysical motivations more and more....

If you read more posts throughout the site, although I know it can be tedious, you will find similar questions as to the source of Jach's L. material. I do think you will find answers.!!

I think I once mads a sorta silly reference to Madonna, what I was trying to say there was that even one with little or no talent can with 8-10 hrs. a day/every day become wealthy, and have millions thinking she's great,and create a career from her endeavours, and all that time spent in the gym can create lots of muscles to boot.!!
Let's not forget how many hours are in a day when you don't have to hold down a "regular job" !!!!!!!

I believe that Jach/ con:sin is simply just like a corporation, if you look at it that way it becomes very easy to see how ALL that info is not so much ,and it is not so brilliant, etc. simply due to the time, and efforts put into it.

How often do you really see an exceptional CEO??? not often I'd guess.... they are SURROUNDED by support teams of workers who give them info, etc. make the biz run. con:sin most likely runs just like that with individuals gleaning info from all religious sources, metaphysical sources, etc.

I loved Jeramiahs reference to the slimey purple leaflets they mailed out, and what trash those were. heh..heh.. my thoughts exactly..it was pretty obvious to me that they had a marketing person doing those over and over, that person musta worked for DisneyWorld previously..!!

I won't belabour these points here, but read around the site, and I think others are more eloquent than I anyway....
Especially Jeremiah, you know J. even when you ramble I can't help but think that your writings, and the way your brain wraps itself around an idea is nothing short of musical,,,,you must be a poet or writer either for a living, or in your spare time???

Anyway, as it sounds to me like many lurkers are reading here, and some are beginning to post, you know I see so much of the abuse continuing through Jach's cold indiffernce, and I think gosh if they did listen to any of the L. material then the attitude of death is not being referred to. didn't L. say:
"EVERY DEATH IS A SUICIDE"
I didn't make that up..!!
L. said "here we are mourning away and they (dead person) is on the other side whistling a happy tune"..... well then why isn't Jach relaying the reason for her suicide??
Katie said it's because no-one is worthy to know.
Happy Truth Hunting,
Audrey

Jeremiah you wrote,

"Short of that some behavioral modification therapy might be in order."

LOL Ya know, you guys are pretty funny in here. I have been having some very good laughs along with all the thought provoking material.

Katie you wrote,

"Long story short, the Love of course comes from our desire for it. That Love is freely given to all, no seminars or unearthly intermediaries necessary."

A very good point that I hope more people start to question. How much did we create the love? And
How much did WE as a group create the persona call Lazaris? In our desired to love and be loved did we end up manifesting something beyond Jach and Peny? Something that was very 'real' to so many of us? Something beyond of all the politics, money and mess. Wow! Some may find that concept offensive. But if we look back I have a feeling it fits with the Lazaris material.
Can you imagine? If we created something that powerful without the mess... Hey! Why don't we?!

Chris your wrote,

"There was some question as to whether or not Lazaris had lifted some techniques from other sources (Jose Silva for example)."

It is my understanding that Lazaris has stated on many occasions that they have lifted many techniques from other sources. They claimed "Why re-invent the wheel?" on one of the tapes I have. As someone who has studied witchcraft and pagan techniques it is very obvious to me that he borrowed a lot of their magic techniques.

But there is still something beyond all of this. Ahh, maybe I'm just in a state of denial. There is something there... I just can put my finger on.

Thinking hard, Lynn

The question as to where Con:Sin claims the Lazaris materials came from is answered by the fact that they are all copyrighted.

If you or I were to "lift" this wisdom, we would be sued by Con:Sin.

How can you copyright Universal Truth and Wisdom? Beats me, but in doing so, it is clear that these teachings and utterings are
deemed to be the sole possession of Lazaris via Con:Sin. L may have at one time or another copped to the fact that they weren't the only being in the Universe to have noticed these things, but they are still copyrighted and jealously guarded by the hounds at Con:Sin as though L is the only source of true wisdom, and somehow that gives some humans the right to own and profit from the material.

Copyright is about money, nothing else. Why would Lazaris want his teachings to be sold?

Doesn't that strike you as at all odd?

We have had a few discussions in here about where the material comes from, what about the love, etc. When you first click on the Lazaris link, you get a page with all links to all the latest threads. At the top-right corner, there is a box which says "Show topics from...". If you change this to "Show topics from the last year" and press GO, you'll see links to all the older discussions. There are 3 pages worth, so you may need to click the small page links atthe bottom of the screen.

Some threads to look at:
Love Bombing
Lazaris or Silva
Sources of the Lazaris Material
Are You Brainwashed Into Thinking That Lazaris Loves You
Wisdom or Research

You should still be able to reply to these threads if you want. That will bring them up to the top of the list.

Lynn, you mentioned that Lazaris said that they often lift material. No problem there. But the fact that the material exists elsewhere means the fact that "Lazaris" has all this information doesn't prove they are who they claim to be. And the absence of aknowledgement that Jach had studied Silva Mind Control indicates to me an intentional deception. They not only don't mention it, but they strongly imply that Jach had no prior meta-physical training.

As for Jach's apparent uncanny ability to put on a show, most of us can't imagine ourselves playing violin like Ithzak Perlman or playing golf like Tiger Woods. Yet we don't presume any paranormal phenemonon is in play there. Idiot savants have been known to play an entire piano concerto after one listening, with no training. No magical orb involved.

The only reason I have any doubt at all that Jach is faking is the fact that he doesn't seem to "get" the material himself. But that's also not so unusual. How many members of the clergy screw around while preaching abstinance?

Studies involving people with photographic memories show that some can recite a 2-hour lecture word-for-word. Quite often, they have no idea what the lecture was about. There seems to be a negative corrolation between the ability to memorize and the ability to reason.

Jach could have a staff of people researching and spoon-feeding him and he may no firmer grasp on the concepts than anyone else. In fact, I think he has shown that he has less of a grasp than many others. But that doesn't stop him from speaking as an authority

All well and good that you feel these techniques work well for you. You still always fail to mention how they work, what great miracles and successes you have achieved with them.

I don't say this to insult you, but once again, I must remind you that Lazaris promises stellar, mind shattering, life changing, world class miracles. That is what I'm still looking for. Do you have any to share?

I understand that for each of us success is relative, but as we've discussed before, if Lazaris told us in the beginning that our successes would be unglamorous, mediocre, and run of the mill events to the eyes of most, we wouldn't have continued to go to those seminars and buy those tapes. We were promised and looking for the big stuff.

Also, any valid experiment would include some exploration of the validity of other theories, if for no other reason than to exclude them. Have you tried going it on your own?

I have, and that works much better.

So, I can provide counterpoint to your hypothesis, can you to mine?

I trust you understand the reason that I continue to challenge you on this. It isn't good enough to encourage people to believe in a potentially and evidently damaging philosophy, you have to back it up, otherwise you are just functioning as an usher on the flowery path to failure and disappointment.

I'm holding to my position that Jach doesn't need a team of researchers to have come up with the entire body of L material.

There simply isn't really that much there when you get right down to it.

There is a ton of psychological and emotional manipulation, but very little actual usable, verifiable, effective, information or technique.

Sure there is a lot of common sense, but we don't have to spend all our savings to get that. Did we really need L to tell us that we should be honest, clear, and forthright in living our lives and that rewards would come from that?

I agree with you that the failure of Jach, Peny, et. al to live up to the teachings which became their life work is the biggest indication of all as to the veracity of the source.

Also, the fact that this entity manages to be able to completely ignore the insane bullshit that goes on in "his" name, speaks volumes to me too. Sure, Lazaris loves us all forever and a day, those of us who shell out, but forever and a day seems to end everytime Peny or Jach have a bone to pick.

No, it's bullshit, plain and simple.

I watched a Biography presentation on the life of Jimmy Swaggart last night. Jimmy was at one time the number 1 Televangelist and a cousin to Jerry Lee Lewis. He too could move thousands with his profound wisdom which he claimed came directly from God, and he sure knew how to use that to bring home the big bucks.

He was taken down by his apparent addiction to prostitutes, not to mention his extreme arrogance. After a time his own father denounced him saying that "Jimmy has lost his mind, he is insane."

Yeah, Jimmy had a direct line to God, sure he did.

I was comforted to see that eventually he was derobed and denounced by the Christian Community, although, it should be noted that those who took him down also now are chomping merrily on the piece of the pie he left behind.

Ohhh..damn, it's all so rotten and ugly.

I watched the faces of the Swaggart "true believers" while he was doing his preaching. People were sobbing everywhere, others faces were aglow with a sincere sense of being in the presence of God.

None of that emotion had one thing to do with that arrogant, greedy, dishonest, sex-addicted, self-promoting piece of dirt. But, were those experiences real?

I guess that depends on what the definition of real is.

What are we looking for here? A synthetically contrived emotional catharsis, or a real and direct connection with the Divine?

Until we get it that no one can love for us, and that love needs no mediation, it is an intimate and unique experience between two hearts and souls, I guess the Ronald McDonald
spiritualists of the world will continue to rack up those numbers on their billboard counts. How many billions of souls have been disserved by them? Count the dollars.

May they all rot in their own private hells of their own making.

You have both given me a lot of food for thought in your last few posts. I'm going to take this away and think about it. There is some very disturbing stuff here. Thank you for your patience in helping me sort this out. You both communicate what you have been learning very well.

I have been talking to my brother who has been studying the Lazaris material for years. More questions have come up.

About this attempt to project a 'spark of light' into the middle of the room at a workshop...Can anyone tell me a little more about that? Was anyone who is reading this at that workshop? Can you talk about what you saw?

Regarding all the LOVE we feel...It does come from inside us..!!!..most definitely...

Similar to Katies experience, I rented a video from a new-age bookstore once about Rajneesh, cuz I was curious about his hold on peepull, and his ability to make these loving peepull give him burgundy rolls royces: 57 of 'em....
Oh gosh, was that an amazing place, lots of things got built, farms planted wonderful music got created all in honor of this skinny little nuthin' guy who never said anything original either.
A powerful, and power hungry woman eventually ended his regime!!!!.Interesting.

I too looked at the faces of the believers when he was speaking...oh the lava and peas that flowed outta THEM, to HIM.. then bounced back at THEM, and they thought it was originating in HIM.!!!! what a travesty..
The power we have to generate what it is we want is immense...Too bad we don't take the credit for it.
So, Frank mee-thinks that if you were to focus on say...growing a garden now, or adopting a kitty/ doggie, you would be able to give/get all, and more of what it was you thought was coming outta L.

I went to see the Dalai Lama years ago, and during a 5 day seminar/initiation, I often felt my forehead area opening up, it's hard to expalin, but I kept running my hand over my forhead, cuz it felt as if I may be bleeding or sweat was there or something. But it wasn't, I mention this to illustrate that when we are in a place ourselves where we want healing to take place, or we want to get information (what I think was happening to me that week) then WE create these things.

I mention in an old post about having had an outta the body experience at my first L. seminar, but hey, I did that not L. perhaps it was because I wanted to have an uplifting experience LOL, but regardless of WHY,,,it was I who did it....I can just bet that many many L. attendees have even more incredible stories to tell. I think that like Katie says we were under various states of Hypnosis.!!!! and this is not a good thing when we are not told..can't make the choice.