Well, I took a break, and now I am back with a vengeance. You guys have obviously been busy, and I dont have time to read everything in detail, I have scanned most of the posts.

Something struck me while scanning, someone was using the words Mind Numbed Cultist as a way of saying they are not that.

I would like to look at little bit at the usuall descriptions of cult members, what might be behind such a label.

It is my experience that the general public knows NOTHING about what cults are. They have no understanding off how mind control works, or what actually constitutes mind control.

I have again, and again run into the attitude that people who gets swallowed up in cults, chose it for themselves, are there because they want to be, and that you have to be really weak, or strange or both to actually get into a cult.

I have seen this attitude, or lack of knowledge even from mental health professionals, or people working within faith based organizations, such as priests, or other mainstream religious leaders.

When I speak to people about Mind Control I have the agenda to challenge that attitude. And to teach about How mind control does its dirty work. How our very strengths are being played on and used against us when someone starts using mind control techniques on us.

The fact of the matter is, cults are not for weak people. Being in a cult is very, very hard work, it is demanding like hell. It takes very strong people to be in a cult, and even more so to live with a cult.

Just this weekend I talked to someone who told me, I dont understand why I sleep so much now I have left the group. When I asked how long he had been in the group, and now out of the group, it turned out that he had been in for around 12 years, and had exited recently.

In those 12 years there had been a band on sleeping more than around 5 hours a day, with strong punishment should someone be caught sleeping more. No wonder this person was tired. And a whole lot of wonder that he actually survived that for 12 freaking years. A very strong person indeed.

If you are weak then you will be spit out very quickly due to not being able to pay for it, or in other ways not living up to what they expect of you.

It is typically strong, and very idealistic people who wants to make a positive difference in the world who gets swallowed up by cults.

When you go to read about, and discern for yourself whether or not you think you have been under the influence of mind control, I suggest keeping this in mind.

I also strongly suggest that you do, do this research. Even if you have not been under the influence of mind control, the best protection against being swallowed up in the future is to know what it is.

The reason for cults are mainly comprised of very idealistic people, is that cults play on ideals. No matter what ideals you have, I can promise you there will be a group out there playing on, and abusing those ideals. Even if the ideals are money, power, or fame. There are cults playing on that really well too. Those are however usually commercial cults, not religious cults.

The cult will offer you a faster, easier, better way to reach whatever ideals you have. They will promise you that you will reach those ideals as long as you do what they say.

People with strong ideals are many times as likely to be swallowed up by such a group, than those without ideals.

It is our strength, and ideals these groups play on, and feed on.

Weak people gets spit out, people with no ideals (if that even exists) will have nothing for the cults to play on.

There is NO SHAME in having been under the influence of mind control. There is, or should be no shame in having been deceived, abused, and having your good heart and ideals manipulated. The fact that you were in a cult, shows you have high ideals....

Another attitude I have met often is that people are there because they want to be there. THey have actually chosen it. I usually compare this attitude to the one saying battered women likes to spend time in the hospital and gets a sexual kick out of being beaten by their husbands. Thank God there has been a attitude shift to this in the last decade or so.

Part of mind control is very clever deception, which is planned to make you think you want what they are offering, however what you want, or what they make you think they are offering, and what they in reality is offering are two different things.

A third common misunderstanding I run into is that there are a few big, well known cults and if you are not a member of one of those, the cult descriptions doesnt fit your situation. Well estimates shows that there are tens of thousands small fringe groups which does fit the cult criterion. It is impossible even for the big cult watchers to list, or know all of them.

It is not about what such groups believe, it is about how they control and abuse their members. There are also one on one cultic relationships where one person in the relationship has perfected the mind control techniques.

I think it is important to recognize also that mind control techniques can be, and are found in less extreme form, and less organized form all throughout society. There are simply charismatic leaders who manages to find many of those techniques, perfect them, put them into a system, and bang you have a cult leader of whatever size it comes in.

So what lies in the term, Mind Numbed Cultist? Hmm.. Mind Numbed... what might be meant here? Well, being in a cult, in the extreme cases were people live with the group you do see those folks act like zombies. The abuse when you live with such a group is so extreme, and so constant that it becomes a necessary means of survival to isolate yourself deep inside yourself. For those who likes psychological labels it is called dissociation. Cults are perfect ways of learning this. In fact cults use both meditation techniques, hypnotic techniques, and abusive techniques to teach people to protect themselves in such a way.

That is why humans in cults often seem mind numbed. It is very sad actually, and I dont like using it as a way of mocking humans who has gone through this. God knows. I have been there.. and it hurts.

However, there are many levels of cult abuse, and even for those who has not experienced that level of abuse, there are still mind control, being controlled in our thinking and actions. The control might be less extreme, along with the less extreme abuse.

It is still cult mind control, it is still cult abuse, and it should still be opposed.

Just my two cents worth.

Welcome back!

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I think it is important to recognize also that mind control techniques can be, and are found in
less extreme form, and less organized form all throughout society. There are simply
charismatic leaders who manages to find many of those techniques, perfect them, put them
into a system, and bang you have a cult leader of whatever size it comes in.

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I think this is the crux of the matter. Once we identify these techniques we can understand how they are applied in areas of our lives other than cults. Cults are not unique in their use, and I would venture to say that everyone is mind controlled on some level.

Maybe the fashion industry is a great example of mind control and manipulation given that it's enormous success in
providing us with a pretty much universally accepted definition of beauty. I mean, is it possible that only skeletal women are beautiful, or only firm bodied hard faced men handsome? By accepting the fashion industry standard of beauty we have effectively discounted 99.99% of the population from ever meeting the criteria. So, here we are living a belief that will never allow for anyone over the age of 25, over 105 lbs, without a dewey complexion or a six-pack to be beautiful. Yet, let's face it, we've bought it hook line and sinker.

This is just one example of how our minds are controlled and manipulated, I'm sure we can all come up with a profound example.

When we can come to an understanding of the mechanics and power of mind control by looking at areas other than cults, maybe then we can more easily accept the possibility we could easily be drawn into a cult.

For me, the issue is to understand the function and power of mental manipulation. I don't give a damn who you are, your mind has been manipulated by someone, and in every liklihood you've manipulated others.

This is the bottom line that we have to get to IMO, if we are ever going to actually sort through all this cult information and make a realistic determination about what happened to us.

But, even more important, we have to make sure it doesn't happen again.

And, we have to make sure we don't do it to anyone else.

If the Cult Awareness information which is becoming so abundantly available in recent months has any value, to me this is it. It is an indication that we as a society are getting ready to take a cold hard look at the issue of mental manipulation. I think this topic has been flirted with from time to time, but maybe the flirtation is evolving into a full scale affair and therefore is capable of igniting the kind of passion and committment needed to bring this topic into the forefront of our social attention.

I know that here in this group we are clearly moving in that direction, especially in the discussions of the 48 Laws of Power.

It also seems that one of the first reactions most of us have to our awakening awareness of the insidiousness and effectiveness of mind control techniques is fear. It is damned scary to think that someone could have exercised so much control over our minds for so long that we spent years passionately invested in beliefs that we are now beginning to view as pretty damned ridiculous. Here we had this alleged entity brainwashing us into worshipping as a Goddess a woman who has never once in her pathetic existance exhibited anything other than the worst, foulest, and most childish behavior. Yet, most of us at one time or another have sought her favor, and feared her displeasure.

For me, the most powerful approach to the whole topic is to recognize that controllers and manipulators themselves operate from fear. No self possessed, confident, honest, decent human being believes that they have to manipulate and control others to get what they want. When we ourselves are manipulation, it is out of fear that we can't have our way unless we exert power over others. Fear is the foundation of manipulation as far as I'm concerned.

So, what do we do about all this fear? Our fear of manipulators, and the fear that causes us to manipulate?

Eveyone of us here knows the power and exhilaration of standing up, standing taller than the fear. By standing up we have a much clearer view, far over the heads of those who are stooped and steeped in their own fearful mires.

So what if half the world is studying and practicing the 48 Laws of Power? Fear has no power of it's own, it is only fuel for the manipulators and the manipulated.

I truly believe that every single technique that was presented to us by Lazaris is nothing more than another twist on fear based manipulations. JachZarus, himself a world class manipulated/manipulator takes his talent to a whole new level and proposes to us that the way to effectively create our reality is to manipulate it, even to the point of trying to manipulate the Divine. This is why so many of us broke into cold sweats of fear while practicing those techniques. They are devised from fear, fear that unless we DO something, God will not respond to us.

IMO we need to steep ourselves in an understanding that we don't have to manipulate to get anything from God/Goddess. Everything is already given. No techniques needed. We need to stop believing the fear mongering self-serving, power mad megalomaniacs of the world, and stop squirming in the boundlessly loving arms which embrace us all in every minute.

Anyone who has ever tried to feed a squalling, squirming, screaming baby might get the picture I'm trying to paint. Sometimes the little darlings are so consumed with their own little miseries that they can't settle down for 2 seconds to take the nourishment which is being gently and lovingly offered.

So, my mantra of the moment is NO FEAR, and my religion is Shut the F.. Up. I think we all need to recognize the dynamic that is at work here, and realize that all this mind controlling babble is causing a racket so loud that we can't here the Voice with only one mantra, the ceaseless mantra of Love.

When we are quiet enough to hear and feel the Love, no screeching howling banshee bitch from hell is going to come along and scare us into believing a big pile of crap ever again.

Maybe then we can look into a mirror and see a beautiful person reflecting back at us instead of feeling a big disappointment that it ain't some silicone injected, wrinkle free, characterless, plastic molded toy creature.

Or, better yet, maybe when someone suggests that we have been or are being mind controlled, we will actually know the answer to that, and have a basis for knowing whether or not it is true, instead of just discounting the thought as ridiculous.

Whew! Did I get off on a rant or what?

I love you all more than words can say. I love you for being here and inspiring me to learn to stand tall and fearless.

Yeah, Peny, even you. In your own foul and inadvertant way, you are a true inspiration.

We have seen the enemy, and it is Fear.

Katie

Amazing post! Thank you for voicing so many important truths. I think it might take several readings to digest all of the valuable details in there!

Love,
Karolina