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Jeremiah
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posted 02-09-2001 08:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jeremiah     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Dear All,

A few days ago I received my last Lazaris tape in the mail.. the last one of the year 2000.

I guess it was already in the mail before I cancelled my standing order.

I thought of just pitching it but I wanted to see what its like listening with less "entranced" ears.

Amazing, it is becoming clear to me just how much I have been compensating and filling in the blanks where Lazaris' "brilliance" is concerned.

Of course, when you have decided that a source is intelligent and worthwile, you approach the material as such, in the same way when someone you respect is saying something you consider it with more attention.

This tape is a ridiculously boring retread of a mush of concepts Lazaris has been blathering about for years. And not a particulary interesting one.

It seems Jach is becoming very lazy and using more and more comfort buzz words like "magician" and "mapmaker" etc. I have had a hard time focusing on the past 12 tapes or so but I listened to them dutifully.


It is amazing how lacking in substance they really are.

What stunned me is the amount of verbiage Jachzaris barfs up without saying anything.

It takes a good 5 minutes for them just to say "welcome, welcome" and what a "joy" it is to be here and then for a solid 30 minutes or so Jach just yammers on about NOTHING.

Some of it even makes little sense.

I wonder if anyone else has had this experience.

I think we were the ones in trance.

Cheers,

Jeremiah

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Karolina
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posted 02-09-2001 10:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Karolina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Dear Jeremiah,

I was not quite out of trance yet, but I remember thinking how the tape about archetypes, with all the intimidating warnings that they can be very cruel to you if you don't bring a Higher Authority into their prescence with you—seemed like just so much useless crap.

Cheers,
Karoline

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Jade
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posted 02-09-2001 10:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jade     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Jereimiah,

Interesting how you heard the tape differently from a changed perspective. I've been considering reviewing part of a video for the same reason.

I agree that Jach is getting sloppy. He has always been repetitive and verbose. The promotional fliers are a good example. Aside from all the touchy trigger words they don't say much of anything.

I saved a "crystal offerings" email where there is no boundary between what is supposed to be Jach and Lazaris.

On the first crystal video "Lazaris" says he doesn't know where people got the idea to clean a crystal in salt water. Must have forgotten giving those instuctions on an early crystal tape. I specifically remembering him saying simple table salt was ok. I know that ther are plenty of other conflicting bits of information.

Yes we were in a trance . I'm going to have check out The Jachalass's act one more time.

Love,
Jade

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dolfingirl
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posted 02-11-2001 10:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for dolfingirl     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hello everyone--

I thought that I was the only one who thought that he rambled on uselessly--LOL--Come on--how many times do we have to hear the "Welcome" speech, and what about the "Lazaris will only channel through me" speech? (Vicki shakes head sadly.) They are so pathetic. If you're going to con people, do it right. I think that they're boneheads.

Later,

Vicki

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Jeremiah
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posted 02-12-2001 08:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jeremiah     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Dear Jade,


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Originally posted by Jade:
Hi Jereimiah,

On the first crystal video "Lazaris" says he doesn't know where people got the idea to clean a crystal in salt water. Must have forgotten giving those instructions on an early crystal tape. I specifically remembering him saying simple table salt was ok. I know that there are plenty of other conflicting bits of information.

Yes we were in a trance . I'm going to have check out The Jachalass's act one more time.

Love,
Jade


Here is an interesting speculation. Around the time those crystal videos were made, Peny and I had a very good mutual friend.

This friend was quite outspoken on the issue of cleansing crystals with salt. He was very opposed. Peny, I believe, was very dependant on our mutual friend in a number of ways and went out of her way several times to "make nice" where she would normally have drawn blood.

When I watched that video the first time , I got the creeps when Lazaris said that they didn't recommend using salt to clean crystals.

I instantly suspected this revision of opinion was manufactured to avoid my friend [a self described "crystal maven" with many devoted readers in the forum] from openly disagreeing with Lazaris on the forum.

My opinion is that CS was very aware of how much value forum readers placed in what my friend had to say about crystals and they were "handling" him.

Peny even made sure he had a copy of the tapes before anyone else. She claimed he saw them before she did [although I have doubts that she would ever bother to watch them in their entirety]

My take on the reasoning behind this is that she wanted to be proactive in calming him down about anything he disagreed before he was public with it.

Since we are on the subject of inconsistencies, anyone who has the "programming what you want tape" can hear Lazaris claim that Lumuria "destroyed itself". At other times Lazaris was always quick to emphasize that Lemuria was "done" not destroyed.


There are other things, I will post them as they come to mind and I hope others will as well.

These are human mistakes, mistakes we don't associate with an unlimited multidimensional entity whose reality is so vast and marvelous our peabrains cannot even begin to grasp its glory let alone question it.

Cheers,

Jeremiah

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Katie D
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posted 02-12-2001 11:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Katie D     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Jeremiah,

I really wonder how much influence that friend of yours actually had on the Lazaris materials.

This is a very very interesting story, because it indicates that Peny herself has lots of input into the garbage du jour Lazaris puts out. I am forever speculating how conscious and deliberate this farce is, whether or not Jach is pulling one over Peny's willingly closed eyes, or if they are full partners in crime, and actually sit and discuss the latest strategy. This story indicates that they do.

Also, I wonder about this friend of yours and whether or not his conscience will one day lead him to tell all. I'm sure he's not the only one who has some vital information and insights to share, but he is one who comes to my mind as having a great potential to do some serious cult busting here.

In my experience with your friend, he does have a conscience and a fair degree of compassion and wisdom. Yes, he's a cantankerous fella, but he isn't shallow, and he isn't stupid.

I have long speculated that his last romp in the Forum was his way of opening the door to
questions and doubts about the true nature and character of the self proclaimed Divine Diva. I find it hard to believe that anything he did was not conscious and deliberate. One thing is for sure, he was cracking under the considerable weight of his very disturbing relationship with one sick bitch.

Do you recall that during the crucifixion of this colorful fella that Crush Dimbulb posted about how he always knew that our friend was full of it about crystals, and that he couldn't understand how all of us took him so seriously? Crush went on to tell how he had just sat back and watched us all develop our codependencies with this man and that he just figured that we must be enjoying it, so why get involved.

This from the world's premier detector of falshood and enforcer of wisdom and truth!

I suppose that Crush didn't realize that just the day before he wrote that post Peny had written to me and told me that her Gangsters had long been straining at the bit to go after Mr. Crystal Wisdom, and that she had called them off.

More BS from the worlds primary source.

Katie

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