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Originally posted by Karolina:
Hi Ted—

Just to be clear on this— [b]Jach, Peny and "Lazaris," as, of course, Shirley MacLaine, are all public figures, right? What about Peny's spouse?

Karolina[/B]

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I have wondered about this myself. My guess is that as part owner of Concept Synergy, he is defined as a public figure in that he participates in making extraordinary claims about the company and its services.

I think if someone has an experience in the context of his public role as a company officer/owner, that experience would be ok to write about. BUT I am not sure.

There is also the famous spouse issue here. A person married to a famous person is perhaps famous by association?

Why is it I can picture this cast of "cartoon-type characters so elegantly, dear one???

You've made my day already!!!

Love,

What about posting something from the forum that we ourselves authored? And/or something that was removed from there? Or is this splitting hairs?

I think we should just avoid direct quotes from the Forum.

I don't have a copy of the Forum agreement, but we probably agreed not to do that.

If you want to talk about the Forum, just tell your story in your own way.

We do all have to remember that what we are posting here are for the most part our own opinions. It's fine to state something as a fact, but it has to be verifiable.

We can, for example verify that Jach and Peny are wealthy. We can also verify that a lot of followers maxed out credit cards to attend seminars they could not actually afford. Whether or not they got a benefit from breaking their banks to make the seminars is a matter of opinion, unless it happens to be our own bank account which was broken.

Don't be afraid to speak up here, and don't forget that the Gangsters are big huge defenders of the Constitution, even though their behavior and philosophies in no way reflect it.

BTW, does anyone have a copy of the Forum agreement? I'm curious to read it again. I threw mine in the trash.

Katie

The forum is another area of misrepresentation. It is portrayed as a "safe" place for people who follow the "Lazaris" Material to interact. The ideas discussed and the the viscious oppression conflict with the love, peace, freedom etc. espoused on tapes and at seminars. Unlike the "Lazaris" tape on Honesty -- "it is safe to be honest" he repeats, the forum is a dangerous place for honesty. Peny and Jach are lucky that some already depressed or otherwise unstable person has not gone over the edge or attempted suicide.

Gross misrepresentation abounds in every area of involvement with these creeps. I would never have entered the forum if they had presented what was really occuring there. Can you imagine paying to be a member of:

1.You must never, ever unintentionally or ever so slightly offend Peny, Jach or their little rat pack.

2. You must always agree with Peny, Jach and their kiss ass chums.

3.You must be prepared to retract any statement you make at any time for no damn good reason.

4. You must be prepared to grovel interminably at a moment's notice.

5. You must accept that being emotionally and spirituality battered and gang banged is good for you, even necessary for your growth.

6. You must participate in beating people down even when it violates how you really feel.

7. You must conform to the Right Wing politics.

A. You must vilify the politically
"incorrect" ideas.
B. You must slam any person who expresses
ideas that diverge from pukey Rush
Limburger.

Hope that covers it. How about signing up for the Inquisiton? Lots of privacy there. I know we have to do what is necessary to protect this web site, but they sure didn't hold up their end.

Love, Jade

"Peny and Jach are lucky that some already depressed or otherwise unstable person has not gone over the edge or attempted suicide."

We would never know if they had. Con:Sin would never report or admit to anything like this. We have to be responsible to them, but they accept no responsibility for us.

"I would never have entered the forum if they had presented what was really occuring there."

Who would except a very disturbed individual?
I suspect the Special K's of the world would, but thank God there aren't too many of them around.

You provide a perfect and accurate description of the Forum. Who could dispute or question it?

"How about signing up for the Inquisiton? Lots of privacy there."

LOL, good analogy.

Whew, we're out of there and it feels great!

Thanks for posting, Jade.

Katie

Here is the gist of the interaction between Shirley, & Mrs & Mrs Peny, in the book "It's all in the Playing"

Shirley had a session with another channel (Kevin Ryerson) and one of the entities
suggested they do an Irish jig together whereby she became quite nauseated fom the
experience. It appeared to be because her frequency then was different to the
emotional frame of reference it was ten years before and the entity hadn't adjusted for
it. They were re-enacting a scene for the miniseries 'Out on a Limb' - hope this
makes sense.

Anyway, Mr & Mrs Peny rang her to see how the screen test went and after re-laying to them about the jig and nausea attack, Mr Peny said that they didn't see why it was necessary for her to be put through that.

Shirley was taken aback and suggested that "it was just a mistake - mine as well as his" yet they were insistent that it shouldn't have happened whereas she tried to assure them that "it was nothing, really. No harm done."

Mrs Peny intensely asked "Aren't you angry and outraged about it?" Which startled Shirley so she explained what happened and why and Mrs Peny said "he had no right to do that" and that "you deserve better than that" and then told her to "face her anger and hostility" sounds familiar!

Shirley went on to say that she didn't "feel any anger" and was told "Then you are holding it at arm's length. That way you don't experience pain. But you'll prevent your growth that way"

BTW she didn't know where Jach was at this time.

Shirley goes on to say that she stopped and thought about what Mr and Mrs Peny were saying and it sounded "like the early days of psychoanalysis and est training. If you don't feel anger and rage, it's because you're suppressing it"

Shirley tried to get mad at the entity but couldn't so she finally said "Listen, I'm really trying to get mad and pissed off, but I can't get it up, so I can only say maybe you guys are mad and pissed off. Maybe you have a problem with the entity, and I can understand that perfectly. After all, I guess everybody wants to believe their spiritual entity is the best"

The conversation politely ends here but Shirley goes on to say "It was my first taste of what would soon develop into the competition of the entities", "And because I was in the eye of the hurricane of the rapidly developing metaphysical movement, I and my endorsement would be a prized trophy." "There was no way to choose,I loved them all"

She does talk a little about Jach and Lazaris through the book so that has been interesting to read and also writes about spiritual counselors (pages 20 & 21) in regards to remuneration.

All the Best
Demelza

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So that was it? That was the big betrayal, the horrible thing that Shirley had done to Peny?

Jeez! I don't see what the big deal was about, but seeing what I did in the Forum I can see how that would have absolutely driven Peny crazy. I mean it didn't portray her as the enlightened stellar being she is. She was, in fact, susceptible to feelings of competition and perhaps jealousy - all common feelings of regular people.

No wonder she felt Shirley committed some kind of crime against her!

I didn't see any of the newer videos, but did I read that Kevin Ryerson was on one of them with Jach "channeling" "Lazaris"? Might have been something I heard.

Anyway, thanks for the info! Really appreciate it, Demelza!

Love,
Demian DreamSinger

aka Seeker

Thanks for posting that. I've been wondering for a long time what terrible think Shirley had done to Peny. I should have known it had something to do with not honoring her specialness properly.

We mere mortals creating our betrayals need to face up to them and just get over it.

But Miss Piggy is so loving and pure that the delicate nature of her tender being feels much more deeply. Her sensitivity and vulnerability are part of what make her so precious.

Hasn't she had enough pain?

Mea Culpa Mea Culpa for offending the delicate one!!!

Textbook stuff.

I'm nominating you for class comedian today.

Maybe the reason you can't tell the difference between a description of Peny and the clanging crunching sound of a Sanitation truck is there is none.

Peny is just as noisy, huge, stinky and full of human refuse as any trash truck in my experience. The only difference is that Peny doesn't have warning lights and back up beeps

I'd like to thank the Academy.

Karolina