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DreamSinger
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posted 02-03-2001 09:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for DreamSinger     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Dear Katie, Ted, Jade and Jeremiah,

Thank you for your kind words and support for my decision to step forth from anonymity. I do agree with you, Jade, that "...a person has to feel ready to do this, so I hope others will continue to take the time needed before revealing their identities, if they are leaning that way. I'm really appreciative of each person who is participating here, under an alias or not."

It is a personal decision and not a requirement or necessary to be done, but for me it began to pose a struggle within myself that needed to be reconciled...I think probably due to the nature and focus of my passion for human rights. I needed to find my own personal response to the intimidation I was feeling.

But in all honesty, I know for me there was also a sense of "keeping a foot in the door". You know, just in case I was wrong or maybe if this all turned out to be a mistake, then I could always go back (???? NOT). But there was among the fear of reprisal or whatever, the desire to not burn bridges.

That was an illusion. I knew there was no turning back, but the illusion kind of tempered my feeling of panic as the walls around me came crashing down and the foundation beneath me shook like the earth in its quake.

I don't need that illusion anymore. It is now right for me to leave that behind. But I am still very grateful for the anonymity I was able to find safety in for a variety of reasons - both real and not so real - from the time I first started posting in November!

And thank you, Ted, Katie and Jade, for visiting my site and your wonderful words of support and encouragement!

Ted, I know you're a musician so your positive words about DreamSinger's music means a lot to me. And Katie, well, you're just a sweetie. Thank you for enjoying the music as well!

Jade, you wrote: [[Sounds like we are on a similar wavelength, I was feeling that when reading your previous posts.]] Yes, same here! I can't wait for you to post the link to your site! I am really looking forward to getting to know you more!

And Jeremiah, I can't even begin to tell you how much your posts mean to me and what a blessing you and your insightful thoughts are to those who read and post here...well, most everyone that is :)

Blessings to you all. I am feeling so tenderly grateful. Is it any wonder the skies are so crystal blue where I live today?

Love,
Demian DreamSinger

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dolfingirl
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posted 02-06-2001 12:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for dolfingirl     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Wiser Crone,

I just wanted to thank you and everyone else for the really beautiful things that you said here. I couldn't post a message until now because I was very emotional when I first read here, you see, my sister is the young woman that you were talking about, and my mother is Proud Mother.

I absolutely adore my family, and since a lot of you know who they are, you can understand why I was so protective about what I said here at first. If anything that I said here ever hurt my sister over on the forum at CS, I would be devastated. She really is a wonderful and caring person. She doesn't deserve to be used in the way that she was. And that is what they did, they used her to get back at my mother for having the strength of character to stand up and be faithful to her friends. [I am very proud of her for that. My Mom, I mean.] My sister loves Lazaris and she writes in the forum a lot. She probably wrote all about this thread, as a matter of fact. She has this really weird sense of honor and duty and she would feel honor bound to let them know. That's the way she is. I sometimes think that she sees things in Black and White. It's either this or that, and that's it!! Like a lot of you did, she has blinders on when it comes to CS though. I get really angry about it too. Can't she see the manipulation? (Rhetorical question.) But because my sister is so "naive" in a sense, I am even more protective of her, and more pissed off about the whole situation. Not because of what they said about my mother--she's strong and she can handle it--but because my sister has a beautiful and shining soul and she is such a good person. Those of you who know her know what I mean. She doesn't deserve that treatment. No one does!

You know, I can remember when my mother first started writing in the forum and the "gang" jumped her. I was shocked and apalled. They might just as well have beat her up physically, she was that upset about it. She was crying, and doubting herself. She was blaming herself for the whole mess too. I looked at her like she was nuts when she started to buy into their load of bull. And believe me, she can tell you that I told her in no uncertain words what I thought about Jach, Peny, and that whole gang of people. We're talking a few years ago now, and I'm glad that happened. I decided then that I would never join the forum because I could see what kind of people they really were. You can't make the blind see though, and I realized (hoped) that it was just a matter of time. Thank goodness that my mother can now see what they're up to. I have full faith that someday soon, my sister will too.

The only reason that I'm telling you all this is because I know that my mother has told my sister about this particular thread. (Like my sister, she has this honor thing going on. ) My mother told my sister that she wasn't telling anybody who she was so that she could protect my sis and
my sister said, "How could they hurt me?" So since my Mom came out and told you who she was, I figured that it's okay to let you know who I am too.

This is the reason that I loathe CS. This is the reason that I hope and pray that they'll lose it all and be found out for the frauds that they are. I don't know, maybe I'm more upset about the fact that I feel this hatred because of the way that they've treated people--not only my family--Ted and Katie,all of the stories here--the more that I learn, the angrier I get.

Anyway's, I got off topic for a while, I just wanted to say thanks for everything that you have all said. It means a lot to see how much people care about my family. That's what I really wanted to say.

dolfingirl

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Marilyn
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posted 02-06-2001 05:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Marilyn     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey Daughter!!!

Thank you for all you said.

One thing I know for sure, without a doubt, is that God/Goddess/All That Is IS real and they love us totally and without condition, because we are a part of who THEY are...
If Lazaris had come to talk to your sister because of "her" laughter, "her" beautiful spirit, we wouldn't be here expressing anger and pain, and OUTRAGE.....and now I'm going to cry so I'll close this post to you here.

I love you!!!!!!!!!!!

Your VERY PROUD, and GRATEFUL Mom

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Karolina
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posted 02-06-2001 06:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Karolina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Dear Marilyn,

From your posts I would say that you seem like the type of person who might cry to release emotion, not out of a sense of hopelessness.

Please stay with your wonderful optimism. It will more quickly bring your beautiful daughter back to you completely. No sham can stand up to the bonds of real love, and clearly there is so much of that real love in your family. The pain of this momentary semi-separation is just more proof of the nasty sham we were all taken in by, and I am certain that your daughter will completely recognize this in her time. You and the rest of your family will be waiting for her with open arms.

I hope that day comes as quickly as possible.

Love,
Karolina

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Marilyn
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posted 02-06-2001 06:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Marilyn     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Dear Karolina,

Yes, I cried from a bit or remembrance rather than hopelessness. In fact, I haven't felt hopeless since I left the forum!

Yes, the love is very strong in my family...disagreeing does NOT stop that love that we share. It just amazes me that these people that I love and respect so much are my very own children!!! :-)

Thanks, Karolina.....

Love,

Marilyn

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Marilyn
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posted 02-06-2001 08:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Marilyn     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi again Karolina,:-)

I just reread your post and want to assure you that my daughter and I aren't estranged at all. Yes, there are a few things that we do not share right now that was a beautiful part of our relationship, but that hasn't stepped-in between our friendship, respect, and love for each other.

She and I strongly disagree with each other about Lazaris and those associated with Lazaris, but yeah, :-), our love and respect for each other outweighs any disagreement. Like I said in another post, more deliberately as a STATEMENT to those "associates" who I believe are reading here, I do not and don't attempt to "force" my beliefs and/or doubts onto my daughter. She is there for me and I am there for her. I see this as a big-time period of growth for us both, and respect her intelligence and loving heart to recognize what isn't right.

Thank you, Karolina, and I hope I didn't give you the impression that we were estranged.

Love,

Marilyn

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Karolina
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posted 02-06-2001 09:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Karolina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Dear Marilyn,

I didn't think for a minute that you and your daughter were estranged.

What I was responding to was the sadness of seeing someone so precious to you being in a place where they are not appreciated and certainly not loved. We've all been on the giving and recieving end of that dynamic. And I can tell you from personal experience——strong family ties of love withstand and triumph over any attacks by controlling oppressors of any kind. That love can't be destroyed by anything or anyone, and it is the "lighthouse" that guides the precious one back to their real home.

Love,
Karolina

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