You wrote [[ I like "JachZaris", that's catchy, and nicer than what comes to my mind which is "Jachass." ]]

LOL Thanks, I needed that!

ESB--it sounds as if you are in a really defensive mood. Why? I personally would love for Lazaris to be real. The love, the lessons, etc. Is it wrong to want that to be real? I don't think so. And if Peny is a different person now, then she needs some serious help. She is mean, spiteful, and has herself on some sort of a pedestal. That may be different from who she was 15 years ago, I don't know, but I'll tell you what--If I was introduced to Lazaris today and joined the forum and saw how she talked to the people there, belittling them and treating them as despicably as she does--I would run as far away as I could without looking back. Whether she likes it or not, she is a representative of Concept Synergy and Lazaris, and she makes the whole company and the teachings of Lazaris look tawdry and crude. I also do not understand how someone in a business position, would want to turn away clients (ie. money) by treating them horribly. She's disgusting, in my opinion. I honestly wish that there is some way that she can see what people think about her. I'm not talking about the people in the forum who feel that they have to kiss her a** in order to grow and be with Lazaris either. I'm talking about the people here, for example, who have valid points about what she has been doing and how it has hurt other people. A part of me refuses to accept the fact that she would want to hurt people on purpose. Maybe something would somehow wake her up and make her get help. There's no doubt in my mind that the woman needs some serious help.

To me, it hasn't really been a situation of Lazaris is a fraud until recently. Something happened at one of the workshops that a friend went to and, not for nothing, [yes, I know that's not proper English ;)] something that "Lazaris" said just didn't make sense. And it didn't seem to me as if "Lazaris" would say it either. Unfortunately, I can't go into detail because it would involve another person possibly getting hurt very badly by any details that I would let out, and I will not risk that. If it was me, I wouldn't care at all, but I will not hurt this other person.

Like I said before, I've been lucky in the sense that I didn't invest as much of myself as a lot of you have. I still believed in the love though. And I still believed in the ideas of what Lazaris said. It really makes me sad to think that there's a possibility that they aren't real. I really liked what one of you (sorry, I don't remember who) said about Lazaris saying something about the rest of the world not seeing things the way Americans do and that we shouldn't try to force our views on them. You said it was clear to you, and it seems pretty clear to me too. I think the same way. But then of course the people in the forum intrepreted it a different way and Peny said that it was right the way the forum people said it. (?!)Huh? To me, that's just another example of something being wrong there.

The biggest problem that I have with Concept Synergy is the way these "spiritually aware" people treat others. How can it be that only certain people who posted in the forum had martyrhood isssues or negative ego issues? Shouldn't someone have pointed out that these bullies in the forum were in their own negative egos? Of course, if and when they did, the rest of the "gang" would jump in and annihalate anyone who pointed out these things, so it's perfectly understandable why no one has. I've seen how hurt people are by the actions of those monsters, and I wouldn't wish that self-doubt or hurt on anyone.

I don't understand how Lazaris can just let this go on either.

I think it was Jeremiah who remarked about the people maxing out credit cards to go to a seminar. My friends and I are like that. (My friends more than me [G].) It's not easy to pay hundreds of dollars to attend a seminar, pay for the hotel room, the plane fare, the food, etc. It takes months to catch up from going to one of the seminars. And then of course, Jeremiah, you're right! If they want to feel like they are worth something, they'll buy something off of the OVERPRICED back table and show it off to everyone with pride. Who cares if deep down you know you paid too much for it? It's from CONCEPT SYNERGY!! They make millions of dollars off of people a year, and they can't make it a little easier on people? I didn't know that the people who worked at the back tables weren't paid though. LOL. (That's meant to be sarcastic, by the way.) They really do have people conned.

Well, I'm sorry to have rambled on. I wish that I had the time to say things more elegantly, but it's getting late and I have to get home so I can't compose my post better. Hopefully, you'll all understand where I'm coming from--LOL--sometimes I'm not sure myself--and hopefully everyone has a great day and week. Be good.

Good to hear from you. Here's a better one.
Jackal "a person who serves or collaborates with another especially in the commission of base acts." Make that Jachal.

You said, "I personally would love for Lazaris to be real. The love, the lessons, etc. Is it wrong to want that to be real? I don't think so."

We all wanted Lazaris to be "real" for years and years. But it's important not to confuse the message with the messenger. We've all heard a beautiful piece of music with moving lyrics sung by a singer (maybe even someone we know is a jerk) who didn't write the song. The song is what it is. The singer can be another story altogether. I've said before that I think Ted was right on when posted about us experiencing "Love as Lazaris." Other people experience Jesus, Buddha, Allah as Love. The important thing is that no one needs to have their Love or spiritually contaminated by deceit and self serving exploitation. Where's the Love in that? Letting go of "Lazaris" doesn't mean letting go of Love; it means letting an uncontaminated love in.

Here's an example. Aeoliah's "Angel Love" is played during the crystal ceremony. It has a huge heart reasonance. But during the crystal ceremony, the implicaton is that you are feeling all this Love from the all loving "Lazaris".

Also, some of the Lazaris Material is based in truth. That's the seduction and typical of cults, religions, therapies. But then there is all that B.S. that gets swallowed along with it. The knowing part of ourselves wants to regugitate it. And that is another hindrance to our growth, adding to the deceit.

You also said, "And if Peny is a different person now, then she needs some serious help."
and, "I honestly wish that there is some way that she can see what people think about her."
A part of me refuses to accept the fact that she would want to hurt people on purpose."

I was taken aback to witness Peny make a cutting, humiliating remark to an employee in the late '80s.I believe Peny is much more concerned with what she can get from people than what they think of her. Looking at it from her side, I doubt that she thinks much of the people she exploits and controls anyway. It certainly shows up in her behavior. Yes, she needs help. So do a lot of other people who have much better intentions.

You said, "I still believed in the love though. And I still believed in the ideas of what Lazaris said."

The possibility of a person losing their belief in Love because of involvement with "Lazaris" is another pitfall of involvement with C:S. I hope you will continue to believe in Love and in the ideas that rang true for you. That is your truth, it does not originate with or belong to "Lazaris."

Dolphingirl, I know it ain't easy. It's confusing, saddening and hurtful. But by looking for the truth, as you are doing, you will own what is really yours. Love is with you.

Lorca (Jade)

I too must say that I somehow hope deep inside that Peny doesn't mean to hurt people on purpose.

I did get to know Peny on a personal level as well as professional level. Jade, I too sold things to C/S/Isis Rising for their table at the intensives.

Peny and I wrote to each other on almost a daily basis and I anxiously awaited those letters. We sent each other lovely gifts and I thought we had a special friendship. Then like out of nowhere I was quickly dismissed by a staffer. This is after almost 2 years of a friendship with Peny.

Too add insult to injury this all happened right after the time we lost our business to a fire, losing EVERYTHING. Including our home due to the loss of our income. We have 5 children to care for, no income and had to move across the country where family members were going to help us out. Looking back at this I felt as though the loss of my friend was the worse thing that happened. It was like a truck bashed me in the chest, my heart hurt so bad. I cried for days, so depressed and feeling so very alone. I loved Peny and would have stood by her side through anything. It truly devestated me.

I have also heard the rumors about Peny saying that the crystals on e-bay have bad energy. How ridiculous!!

Welcome! And thank you so much for writing and sharing. I think you caught us all in a moment of shock and reflection, it's been pretty quiet today. I know that I'm feeling that, so I can only assume that others are too.

You said: "I too must say that I somehow hope deep inside that Peny doesn't mean to hurt people on purpose."

We know that she is aware of the hurt and pain, and since it hasn't stopped it seems unlikely that she's too worried about it. I hear she's been very quiet lately, so who knows, maybe she is doing some reflection. I'm a cynic at this point though. Her Gangsters are clearly under her control so if they are still at it, we can feel pretty sure that nothing has changed.

"Peny and I wrote to each other on almost a daily basis and I anxiously awaited those letters. We sent each other lovely gifts and I thought we had a special friendship. Then like out of nowhere I was quickly dismissed by a staffer. This is after almost 2 years of a friendship with Peny."

This is such a typical story, and it indicates the coldness of that woman. I saw that coldness in her dead snake eyes, and it chilled me to the bone. After I met Peny face to face and had this experience I came home and made it the focus of my processing and programming to get past the "negative ego" place I was in which was causing me to have so many doubts about her. She did me the grand favor of baring her fangs at my husband, and then at me, giving me the further evidence I needed to wake up from my trance about her. I guess processing and programming really does work. I did that work with passion and commitment, who could have guessed how it ended up paying off?

"Too add insult to injury this all happened right after the time we lost our business to a fire, losing EVERYTHING. Including our home due to the loss of our income. We have 5 children to care for, no income and had to move across the country where family members were going to help us out."

I guess she decided that you too were in "negative ego". From what I can tell, Peny has no use for people who are hurting, or in need of support. It sounds as though you ceased being of use to her because you were dealing with your own struggles. I'm so sorry, that is a sad story.

"Looking back at this I felt as though the loss of my friend was the worse thing that happened. It was like a truck bashed me in the chest, my heart hurt so bad. I cried for days, so depressed and feeling so very alone. I loved Peny and would have stood by her side through anything. It truly devestated me."

I'm very, very sorry to hear that you went through all this. I hope you are healing and getting some perspective that this isn't about you, it's Peny. Peny is a cold fish and a user from all we hear and have experienced.

"I have also heard the rumors about Peny saying that the crystals on e-bay have bad energy. How ridiculous!!"

A deliberate manipulation. She wants people buying from her, and only her evidently. Given the prices I have heard she is now charging, I think she's using crystal sales as a way to compensate from lost revenue due to Jach's paring back his seminar schedule. I'm sure this is all a part of their new business plan. As though they don't already have enough money!

"I am shocked to say the least at some of the things that have happened to some of you. I never would have believed that the Peny I knew could have been capable of any of this. It makes me very, very sad."

I guess that Peny has her "cult identity" too. Like Jach, she turns it on and off. I won't say she can do that at will though, because I personally think she is way way out of control, and that she is her own worst enemy at this point.

I am sad too Raphael, very sad to hear of all these terrible stories, and of your personal grief.

I trust that your life is stabilized from your fire and move, and that all is going well for you.

Five children are a big responsibility! You have my admiration.

Thank you again for writing and sharing. I hope you stick around and add your thoughts and observations to the others here. We all have so much to offer each other.

All the best,

Thank you so much for responding to my post.

Things have changed a great deal in my life since the fire. This is one of those occasions something beautiful came out of something horrible.

I truly am sickened by some of the stories that have been told here. The story about the daughter that had "magic time" with Lazaris bothered me a great deal and quite frankly pissed me off. How cruel and heartless.

These people could not possibly care who they are harming.

Does anyone wonder if Jach, Peny and Michaell pulled their stock out of ebay before or after Peny announced that all of the crystals had bad energy?

I do hope you remember me Katie from a letter I had wrote to you before Christmas. It's been very busy here, but I am glad I have now found the time to post. Thank you again for your loving kindness.

Welcome to the site!

I do remember the letter you had written to Katie before Christmas, and I remember your story about Peny. It sounds like Peny doesn't actually see people as friends, but as commodities to be bought and sold as is expedient. I'm sorry that she treated you as one of her toys. I'm sure you can see that it was Peny and not you that was the source of your heartache.

You wrote: [[Wow!! I am not here for a couple of days and the place explodes with posts. LOL!]]

Well, you better not go away again, cuz this place is jumpin'[g].

You wrote: [[Shouldn't someone have pointed out that these bullies in the forum were in their own negative egos? Of course, if and when they did, the rest of the "gang" would jump in and annihalate anyone who pointed out these things, so it's perfectly understandable why no one has.]]

Actually this is not hypothetical - this is exactly what happened when Katie and I demanded that Peny take responsibility for her actions in the Forum. Our characters were assassinated and anyone who had anything good to say about us were thrashed relentlessly. The (many) threads have since been deleted from the Forum. Wonder why they didn't leave them in as an example of how "spiritual adults" handle those of us who are "in negative ego".

You wrote: [[I honestly wish that there is some way that she can see what people think about her.]]

I'm quite certain that she is aware of this site and has seen some of what people who are not under her control think of her. I don't think it matters unless it affects her pocketbook.

You wrote: [[I personally would love for Lazaris to be real. The love, the lessons, etc. Is it wrong to want that to be real? I don't think so]]

No, it's not wrong. But the good news is that Love and Meta-physics are real, whether or not "Lazaris" is. If we equate Love and Spirituality with Lazaris, then we don't have the Freedom of Mind to consider that Jach may be a lying, opportunistic, co-dependant, punishing, cynical scumbag who made "Lazaris" up to get rich and appease Peny's ego. The "energy of Lazaris" is like the energy of cocaine: you feel real good for a short period of time, then you crash and need another fix. In the long run it destroys. But that's just my opinion, I could be wrong[g].

Hey, don't worry about ramblin' - I'm a ramblin' kind of guy myself[lol].

Welcome!

[[I too must say that I somehow hope deep inside that Peny doesn't mean to hurt people on purpose.]]

I think Peny is an unhappy woman. I cannot imagine her treatment of herself is very kind.

Indulgent and excessive no question, but not likely very self loving. She is intelligent and at least conceptually aware of the fact that human beings can hurt one another but the schism between her persona and her behavior is so vast as to be crazy making.

Crazy making for her and certainly those in her orbit that verify the persona and swallow the abuse.

Lazaris used to talk about that kind of schism being common to a progressed ego. A valid notion however lacking in validity Lazaris himself is.

Lazaris used to frequently point out how brutal and profoundly damaging it is to mislead and hurt someone on a spirtual level.

I think back on this now and wonder if she could have processed that piece of information in her current state.

And this is a loaded question: Would Lazaris be able to say those words now without drawing derisive laughs from his followers?

In light of the facts of Tradevest, devastating personal attacks in the forum, unudulterated greed. Those are all facts. Things that happened. You cannot "spin" multilevel marketing schemes, brutal treatment of human beings, lying, stealing...

I do hold her accountable for her volatility, her lack of care , her recklessnes with people and her larceny.

But hey, being her can't be a day at the beach.

I don't speculate without basis about Peny as I have witnessed her under a number of situations over four years in the forum and have interacted with her privately via email.
I never called her a friend because I never trusted her fully.

[[I did get to know Peny on a personal level as well as professional level. Jade, I too sold things to C/S/Isis Rising for their table at the intensives.

[[Peny and I wrote to each other on almost a daily basis and I anxiously awaited those letters. We sent each other lovely gifts and I thought we had a special friendship. Then like out of nowhere I was quickly dismissed by a staffer. This is after almost 2 years of a friendship with Peny.]]]

You are not alone Raphael. As I say I was never close to her and we emailed daily only for a month or so. It was strange because a few times she would send me an email and I wouldn't be able to respond for a day or so and she would send another email checking to see if I got the first. The times she did this she always was emphatic she didn't mean to imply I SHOULD write back to her. I took away from that she is very sensitive to rejection and I guess she likes to reject someone before they get a chance to reject her.

Playground level stuff.

[[Too add insult to injury this all happened right after the time we lost our business to a fire, losing EVERYTHING. Including our home due to the loss of our income. We have 5 children to care for, no income and had to move across the country where family members were going to help us out. Looking back at this I felt as though the loss of my friend was the worse thing that happened. It was like a truck bashed me in the chest, my heart hurt so bad. I cried for days, so depressed and feeling so very alone. I loved Peny and would have stood by her side through anything. It truly devestated me.]]

I would guess she is very bad at handling another persons crisis. Certainly the severe crisis you were going through. I think it is too threatening to her on a number of levels. I think it probably made her feel very vulnerable about her own possiblities.

She is also an established opportunist. That I say just by watching her behavior, no mind reading needed there. A part of her perhaps realized she couldn't use you anymore.

[[I have also heard the rumors about Peny saying that the crystals on e-bay have bad energy. How ridiculous!! ]]

I know this first hand Raphael, these are not rumors.

Earlier this year somebody wrote in the forum that they recieved a crystal from a dealer and in meditation came to the conclusion the crystal was damaged etherically.

She mentioned the dealer and his website and asked if anyone had any experiences with this site.

This was a sunday morning. Within minutes the post was deleted. Then it was put back with a response from one of the Orlando Gang [ who I believe has a financial interest in the CS crytal business] saying that yes, she had heard horrible things about this dealer and his website.

Obviously, a strategy was being concocted.

I know this dealer well and wrote back simply that it was my experience that he was top notch. Very good guy. I asked her to specify the damage and told her I thought he would happily refund her money if she returned it.

I also mentioned that someones business reputation was being put on the line based on what was largely a subjective evaluation of the crystals etheric condition. It wasn't broken or anything.

The person writing, was I think very sincere and wrote back aplogizing saying that she didn't want to damage anyones busines..etc.

Peny wrote within seconds saying how this writer had nothing to apologize for and that she knew first hand this dealer was arrogant and had shoddy crystals.

A "know it all" she called him IF you can believe it [g] the irony overwhelms.

We had a few more exchanges and it could have gotten heated. I just stated over and over that I had great experiences with him.

The motivation was clear, CRYSTAL clear. This man sell superior crystals at a fraction of the cost that CS charges.

She outted herself on this thread as far as I am concerned.

What followed was I believe a different thread started by yet another gangster [who I also believe has a financial stake in the CS crystal business] about how concerned he was because while working at the back table he heard about all these bad experiences people had buying cheap crystals off of ebay.

Other posts talked about how crystals were "waking up" and finding their way to Lazaris. Implying of course that any crystal that didn't "wake up and find its way to Lazaris" was substandard.

Yeah, right.

[[I am shocked to say the least at some of the things that have happened to some of you. I never would have believed that the Peny I knew could have been capable of any of this. It makes me very, very sad]]

One thing I have been wanting to write about might give some insight into the hierarchy of the Orlando Gang.

Peny confided in a then mutual freind that one of the Gang hand made a mandala from a concept that Lazaris had outlined about love.
It was given I think, to Peny as a birthday or Christmas gift.

They mocked this person behind her back referring to the gift as "The Bordello version". That comment was attributed to Jach. It is second hand, but a reliable source.

I have to tell you that I participated with Peny and a few Orlando Gang members in a mockfest of another forum member. I am not proud to write that, but it I did it and so did they. One night the jokes and emails were flying between four or five of us about what a dope this woman was.

This woman is a dedicated CS customer to, btw, spent alot of money there.

She also is someone Peny told me directly she strongly dislikes. On the forum Peny addresses her with love and enthusiasm.

I think if this woman knew what Peny had participated in she would be devastaed. Hurt by the rest of us, but hey, she doesn't think the brightest spark in the universe came to talk to US...

I felt bad about it after and I feel bad about it now.

There was another instance with this same forum member writing, what was in my opinion, a fanciful post hoping to give the impression that she had a mystical encounter in the woods with Madame Blavatsky. The writer didn't specify MB, but I thought it was strongly implied.

I thought it was weird and perhaps damaging to the forum so I wrote Peny and asked her to take a look at the post.

Peny wrote this woman [copying me secretly] telling her that she had consulted her guide Madame Blavatsky [I kid you not] and Blavatsky told her that what she wrote didn't happen.

So she doesn't just have Lazaris, she has emprical data from Madame Blavatsky.

Funny thing, I think Peny was making it up. I don't think she even bothered to go through the charade of actually meditating or whatever to contact Blavatsky.

The only thing I could think of was how Lazaris talked about people using psychic blackmail to manipulat others.

Cheers,

Welcome, so glad to hear from you. Sounds like you and your family went through a really rough period. I hope things are much improved now.

You said, "I too must say that I somehow hope deep inside that Peny doesn't mean to hurt people on purpose." I think that is something that we have all hoped at some point. But it is impossible for me to look at years and years of different situations in which people have felt "devastated" and believe that Peny cares about anyone but herself.

Personally, I experienced being targeted by Michaele Hailley, then Jach and Peny and the mad mob on a thread about affirmative action in the forum. I had just gotten hooked up to the internet for the first time and was excited about participating on C;S's site. Michaele took umbrage at a remark I made about the possibility that he was not totally committed to the abandonned liberal politics of his youth (when most of us are forming an opinion, not entrenched). Personally I went from being raised in a conservative family to the liberal I am now. Big deal. But he went rabid.

He also took offense at my tone, which was humorous. He had summarily dismissed the well documented statistics (I had files full of all kinds of articles and clippings on human rights issues) I offered to support the point I was making in my first post to him. I was trying to maintain a sense of humor in the face of his puffed-shut mind. And when I explained the humor, he would'nt hear me. So BOOM went the gang with their angry posts about poor hurt and angry Mikey. They were all hurt and angry! He sent me a post that printed out to nine pages -- must have touched a nerve. I could'nt get past the first page. He insisted that I was insinuating that he was racist. What I felt was his indifference about people of color (and women). However a black female who is one of my best friends read through the posts I had printed out, and her assessment was harsher.

I hate to admit it but I was so upset by the mob attack, especially from Peny and Jach, that I was unable to eat or sleep for a few days. I was living in that Lazaris mind set, but I could'nt turn to Lazaris. I was a mess -- really shattered inside. Then came a post from Peny telling me that I was "bullying the group" with my silence. Feeling stunned to the core and hearing that you are somehow bullying the people who knocked you down is pretty weird. Were they all anxiously glued to their computers awaiting my response? Was I on Peny's clock for the clocked?

Finally I made a blanket unfelt apology and told them I was leaving the forum. I regret apologizing because I certainly prefer sincerety, but at that point I was very upset and confused and didn't want to risk my line to the Lazaris Material, or more importantly to "Lazaris." However I couldn't bring myself to listen to a tape for weeks because if Peny and Jach were mad, how did Lazaris feel. I felt that I must have messed up somehow (but how?) for a long time, even though I witnessed the bludgeoning of another member at the same time. She stayed, her apologies were like hors d'oevre for piranha.

So Raphael, the question is really why it has been so important for all of us to cut Peny so much slack for so long. The answer of course is "Lazaris."

The next question is, out of the two billion souls on this planet, why would a highly evolved entity come be attracted by this one nasty, manipulative woman? Someone who has daily access to the great wisdom of the "entity" yet doesn't even behave as well as most ordinary folk.

And the next question, I'll leave it to you.

We all have stories of how we came to "wake up" here on this site. Here's a more detailed version of mine. I had a special order for a Christmas present for Peny. An unusual gem kyanite necklace. It was long, the beads were small so that meant lots of knotting on my part. I designed something I thought was really beautiful and while I worked I focused on receiving resolution for the negativity and confusion that I have felt about the incident on the forum for 4 1/2 years, and about Peny. At that I point I believed what "Lazaris" said about kyanite not holding any negativity. All the better.

The other signigicant event is that I had to reinstall my computer and lost all my old bookmarks (which included the public C:S site). In early January, I decide to check C:S for a dolphin poster. On my Metacrawler search I found "Lazaris:Friend or Fraud." Thank you Universe. Life has taken a new and improved twist ever since.

It feels good to express all of this, better with the specifics I left out in my initial "Lorca" post. I hope it is meaningful to you and hope to read more of your posts.

Love,
Jade

I must say C/S is certainly not deserving of the love you seem to put into your jewelry. It
is sick that this type of bashing goes on in the forum.

Before Ted and Katie the World was afraid to say anything negative about Lazaris, Jach,
Peny and C/S in any forum or website. It is comforting to know that people are actually
starting to feel comfortable (somewhat) about posting some of their experiences. This
is a wondrous place where others can find and realize that they are not alone in their
doubts, anger and pain.

I think it is a sick game to feed your own Ego at the expense of something so personal as
a persons Spirituality. I am sure the people who participate in this behavior NEVER get a
good nights sleep. Peny is said to have severe bouts of insomnia could this be why?

It doesn't make me happy to think that Peny might suffer someday for the things she has
done to hurt people. I guess that I hope in my heart someday, if she reads ALL of your
posts she might see that she has DEEPLY hurt others and she might actually feel bad
about it and try to do the right thing. I know that it is doubtful that this will happen. This
in fact could hurt the C/S empire and her income. Maybe, just maybe if she reads about
these people she has hurt it will influence her to treat the people she is still in contact with
and new people she meets in a different light than before.

I am trying to be optimistic anyway. LMAO

Thank you again for all your kindness and comfort.

You said, "It doesn't make me happy to think that Peny might suffer someday for the things she has done to hurt people. I guess that I hope in my heart someday, if she reads ALL of your posts she might see that she has DEEPLY hurt others and she might actually feel bad about it and try to do the right thing. I know that it is doubtful that this will happen. This in fact could hurt the C/S empire and her income. Maybe, just maybe if she reads about
these people she has hurt it will influence her to treat the people she is still in contact with and new people she meets in a different light than before."

I think people who manipulate and exploit others, especially to the extent that Peny and the Jachal, have are what we call sociopaths. They are disconnected from themselves and others to the point that other people are just things for them to manipulate. I'm not the first to express this sentiment.I have little hope that they will have feelings about anything except serving their own needs. Peny already knows she has done a lot of damage, and just keeps on keeping on.

I also think that if reading any of this moves her to better treatment of people, it would be only to keep things going for her own gain.

My main concern is that these people should not be in a position to wreak all kinds of havoc on anyone. They made their opportunity to take advantage of people with the creation of "Lazaris." Anyone who connects with them because of this specious entity is getting taken from the get go.

I know I'm being pretty blunt here Raphael. But there is soooo much damage from emotional to spiritual to financial, it's hard for me to worry about how Peny feels or if she changes her behavior. In my opinion, Con:Synergy, Jach and Peny and Michaele North should be out of business. But if Peny ever does come to as a human being, I'm sure she'll feel a lot of pain over what she has done. They all will.

But I like your note of optimism. I'm sure that helped you overcome the devastation you and your family had to deal with after the fire.

Love,
Jade

I guess I left you all with the impression that I don't believe in love. LOL That's far from the truth. When I said that about wishing that the Love from Lazaris were real, that's exactly what I meant, from Lazaris. It hurts when you find out that people [or entities ] aren't what they seem and it hurts to lose a friend. And we all thought of Lazaris as a good friend who loved and respected us for who we are no matter what. But I never stopped believing in the love that is out there. Okay?

Ted, I know about what happened to you and Katie, but I was trying to not mention specific examples. Marilyn is my mother, and
I was trying to be vague so that nothing would get back and hurt my sister by anything that I've said here. The only reason I'm telling you all that she's my Mom is because she told me she's posting under her own name now. I am so proud of her for that. But since you know that I know what she's gone through, (I still get ANGRY about that!!!), you'll understand why I was trying not to be too specific.

Also, guys and gals, when I said that about Peny reading what people have written and maybe growing from it, I meant that as a way that maybe somehow she would "wake up" and somehow become a better person. LOL. I know, I know. Fat chance of that ever happening. Okay, I'm off to read other threads now. I'll see you around.

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