This friend was so relieved when we told him of the end of our believer status. He told us that he had met Jach many years ago through a mutual friend who was at the time a big MLM Guru.

The story goes that Jach was channeling Lazaris and building his MLM downline simultaneously. The deal was that although Lazaris didn't actually give seminars on MLM or anything, but all the followers were signing up and the rule was that no "friend" could directly recruit another "friend". Anyone who had attended a Lazaris seminar had to sign up directly under "the Unit" Jach, thereby building a nice downline for our good buddy "the channel" and making it harder on "friends" to build their own. I actually think that might have been illegal given what I know about MLM (multi level marketing),assuming it is true.

Anyone familiar with MLM strategy will quickly get it that Jach was using the Lazaris followers to build a get rich quick scam. The MLM company was called Tradevest or something like that, and the deal was that a percentage of the profits made would be invested for the seller, and allegedly would make them big bucks down the line.
The company of course folded quickly as MLMs are known to do, only after making the top few in the hierarchy quite rich and everyone below loses everything. In this case the "associates" loss included their earned profits which were allegedly invested for them.

Some MLM developers deliberately set up their companies to fold at the point where their profits are maxed out. They know that after a point the law of diminished returns sets in. It's all a math game plotted in advance. I have personally been approached by such schemers during my years of working in marketing and product development.

Now, I ask you, didn't Lazaris see all this coming or have anything to say about the ethics of it all?

Also, when we were in Orlando for the Millennium Intensive, we met a guy who swore to us that he was introduced to Lazaris via an MLM seminar in Colorado a few years back. He said that Lazaris was brought in to channel to the MLM group (blue green algae) and that was taken as an endorsement of the company. Michaell North was the man building the downline. We all pooh poohed him and told him he was either full of it, or had his facts wrong.
DUH!!! We were the ones who were full of it.

What a pile of crap we have all been sitting on.

For those who don't know, Multi-Level-Marketing is one of the biggest scams ever perpetrated on the American public. If I have been able to uncover and evaluate the economic implications of most of these schems, surely Lazaris would be aware also.
The average multi-level marketer makes something like 60.00 per year. That's the average, which accounts for the small few who make millions. That means that most people lose big money.

Thought some of you might be interested in those bits of hearsay.

We had already heard bits and pieces of this, but our buddy had more first hand info, and may be coming up with more. This conversation was not the focus of our dinner chat, we were there to have a good time and relax.

More to come though. Remember, this is all hearsay, and offered for your consideration as such.

Katie

I really do appreciate you sharing this information here. Some of us have been involved with the Lazaris material for a short while, while others have been involved for years and years. During this time Jach, Peny and company are all portrayed in a "bigger than life way"...enlightened, spiritually evolved with exceptional insight, character and integrity.

I've seen them abuse their special status with Lazaris in the Forum as many others have. It's good to be reminded these people have lives outside of the Forum and pay attention to how they may be conducting themselves there as well.

You remind us this is hearsay, but you know what? I don't believe people should jump to conclusions based on hearsay, but consider this - how many people have done just that on hearsay from Lazaris or Jach?

How many people accept that Peny doesn't lie just because Jach said Peny doesn't lie at the beginning of his older videos? How many have automatically accepted Peny as this beautiful energy just because Lazaris said so, and as a result have closed our eyes to what we see in the Forum and cling to our belief of her as this beautiful energy regardless...just because someone said so, and not because of our own experience?

So, please, share what you hear, Katie, because I need THIS kind of hearsay to counter the OTHER kind of hearsay I've let myself believe in without discernment for too, too long.

Yes,I agree with you about being open to all information offered about Jach, Peny, et al and for the same reasons you state.

It is so true that we accepted everything we heard from the Gang as the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, some of us for many, many years.

Why should we trust that information without question, and why shouldn't we be open to hear counterpoint?

When I was in my "doubting" stage I actually had fears of being "disrespectful" to Lazaris, even to Jach and Peny. I was almost terrified at the thought that I might in some way hurt them by having doubts. Then I realized that the spiritually enlightened and all wise are not in any way dependent upon my belief in them, or my love or respect. How could my honest doubts hurt a truly loving and self-realized being? They could not.

Yet, we get all this endless "negative impact" crap in the Forum, then neverending stream of accusations, humiliations, and apologies for one "slight" after another in the Forum.

"How dare you question Peny?" "How arrogant of you to state a doubt or a confusion?"

It's sickening, abusive, adolescent childsplay when you think about it from any rational perspective.

So, I dare to think now, and I dare to doubt.
Beyond that, I encourage everyone who reads here to think and doubt, especially about me.
I can handle it, no problem. And guess what?
I'm not even trying to claim to be all wise and enlightened, and my self-esteem is not dependent upon others believing me, or believing in me. I'll bet yours isn't either.

So, don't worry dear Seeker, I'll be continuing to question and report, and I hope others do too. Sooner or later all the FACTS will come out. But the most important FACT is out in the open, and that is that we all have not only the right, but the obligation to think, question, and doubt. That is the foundation of true respect and self respect.

Thanks for writing.

Love to you,